Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

methinks wmc was sufficiently pilloried for his sins upthread

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Yeah, I DL'ed and watched S1 and was very bummed out because of serious addiction probs in my family, so I dropped the show. But when S4 started I watched the first episode and was drawn back in just from the sheer quality of writing and acting. So I have a gap to fill in -- I have a vague sense of what happened, but haven't actually seen the episodes yet.

I guess one of them that goes without saying is the dramatic engine that started this whole series, which is Walt’s cancer diagnosis. That’s certainly something we have not forgotten about, and that is something we will touch base on in one form or another as we draw to a conclusion in our last 16 episodes.

speaking of that, when jesse leaves walt in the parking lot at the end walt seems to have a moment of... something. he puts his hand to head like he's sick or something. could be wave of stress hitting him but i suspect its cancer-related.

stuff like this makes me want to go back and watch the whole series over again

My own personal opinion is that a lot of this dates back to “Box Cutter.” There’s a moment at the end of that episode where Gus cuts Victor’s throat and lets Victor drop dead onto the floor. Walt looks like he’s about to vomit, and he looks completely terrified, as most of us would. Then Gus happens to glance at Jesse, and there’s this long shot of Jesse. We hold on Jesse quite a long time as he slowly leans forward. There’s this moment of, if not connection between the two, there’s this moment of, for my money, Gus seeing a strength, a resilience, and an anger in Jesse, a substance in Jesse that he didn’t see before.

And marrying that realization with the realization that Jesse had the wherewithal to go kill Gale, suddenly Gus Fring realizes that this guy who he’s never given a second thought to may have more substance than he previously would have guessed. So I think primarily, yes, what Gus is doing by having Mike take Jesse out on money pickups is he’s starting to drive a wedge between Jesse and Walt, but I think maybe he does see some worth, some utility in Jesse. And he had probably first noted that in the first episode of this season.

i read that as walt basically having a bowel-emptying moment of "oh christ, what have i become / thank god i didn't kill the kid / has this all actually worked out / oh shit, wtf do i do now"

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"/ oh fuck cancer is back"

well alright

Wasn't totally sold on Jesse's moral vacillation at the end of the ep re: killing Gus, btw. Gail I understand. But Gus? Whether or not he poisoned Brock, he was definitely, er, not good for Jesse, who apparently forgot that just the day before he was tased, kidnapped and handcuffed to the lab to work as a slave.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:50 AM (52 minutes ago)

I bought it - to be fair, jesse ended up tased + handcuffed because walt's manipulations put him at odds with gus. and although the choice of gus vs walt as mentor isn't very appealing, gus was at least a leader who let jesse demonstrate and enjoy some self-worth, whereas walt's a petty self-involved little toad whose actions are almost always to jesse's psychological detriment.

Yeah, but to say Gus put Jesse at equal risk would be an understatement. I mean, the Mexico gambit that could have left them all dead was a Walt-esque gamble.

well alright

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:48 PM

i mean it doesn't have to literally be that so much as a foreshadowing of that (it looked very similar to walt's earlier sickness blackouts). and the bb writers luv foreshadowing.

Nothing says "we value you as an employee" like getting tased and shoved into a van

physical danger hasn't been a factor in jesse's recent decisions though - he's a guy who acted like he had a death wish for most of the season. psychologically, it's not hard to see why jesse would start second-guessing his decision to side with walt against gus, especially when it turned out gus had nothing to do with brock's poisoning.

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Well, taking Gus out was pretty much all Walt. What did Jesse have to do with it? He was handcuffed to the meth factory.

That is, it was acted like killing Gus was the issue, not that he made a mistake of allegiance.

Well, taking Gus out was pretty much all Walt. What did Jesse have to do with it? He was handcuffed to the meth factory.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

he gave walt the crucial tip-off about hector.

jesse had plenty to do with walt's machinations - he lured gus to the hospital so walt could attach a bomb to his car, he told walt about tio, etc

I kind of read it as, wait we killed gus for no reason, was that the right thing to do - if he was absolutely certain of gus' unworthiness to live there'd be nothing for him to second guess - and I think mike's "are you sure you're being loyal to the right guy" is still rolling around somewhere in the back of his head and will be coming to the forefront next season

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Yeah, but the actually killing of Gus was hardly a deep collaboration. I mean, Jesse was all for it, but if he was worried about retribution from ... someone ... then he's pretty far down on the "people to kill" list. But why, say, Mike the Pro would want him or even Walt dead is unclear at this point. Unless they do something dumb and sick Chilean war criminals off to New Mexico or something. My guess is that both Ted business and the DEA will be tightening the noose next season. I mean, they will find Gus's car at the hospital. Why was he at the hospital? They will have video of him meeting with Jesse, who Hank will know very well. Or that old last next door to the tio will describe Walt. Not to mention Jesse's mention of ricin no doubt may draw even more Feds.

he gave walt the crucial tip-off about hector.

― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:35 PM

p sure saul did that, jesse went str8 from hospital to meth lab before he could even think of something to give walt

Jesse's intel; Saul delivered it.

^^^

i love the compulsive need to speculate about next season in this thread - u will probably be wrong guys

probably. i am still going to dream of a Walt/Hank showdown, nonetheless.

ND U CANT STOP ME!

jesse isn't worried about retribution - more like he's concerned that he collaborated in the killing of a boss who was grooming him for bigger things, based on a hunch from walt that turned out to be all wrong - factor in the psychological journey jesse has been on the entire season and it's easy to see why he's not like oh we blew up gus nbd

Hopefully next season will explore the ins and outs of the carwash game.

iirc jesse told walt about hector (in the context of "where can I find gus so I can kill him"), saul connected the dots, gave walt the motivation to force gus to visit the nursing home

Maybe it will jump forward 18 years and holly will be a major player in the drug game Everyone else will be aged via cgi.

we didn't actually see gus die, he just fell over with a headache

will be back next season with ted in tow

old trigger finger ted

if i know gus, pretty sure he'll "pull a robocop" and return, even more unstoppable than before. think about it - ultimate combination

robogus?
i like it.

gus gets a face transplant from ted, carries on business as usual/charitable works

gets a new eye from Walts pool filter.

we saw gus die. we did NOT see tyrus die. ~think abt it~

they did say "three dead" on the news though (doubt they were talking about old hi hello neighbor woman)

rmde socket

Hector survived. he's that bad-ass.

missing my damn eye

do u think it's possible that the force of the explosion may have "cured" hector??

"cured" as in "smoked", yeah

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we heard that three are dead in the explosion

I found Tyrus incredibly 2-dimensional so I'm stoked that he's dead I don't care who had to die to get him outta there

yeah he was annoying

thirded, i meant to say that before, so fucking annoying. I AM GOOD AT A MEAN FACE

The writers didn't develop that character at all.

His Zoolander face made you want to smack him.

Pretty sure that the clues add up to the evil corporation behind Cluckin' Chicken gathering up the "corpses" of Fring, Tyrus, Hector, and Ted and making a Super Frankensoldier for Walt to fight in the last season. Baby Holly will be a mutant (from whatever Walt was exposed to that gave him cancer) and she will be a major player. Just wait and see.

tyrus was a badass you loonies

who the fuck wanted his character "developed" i mean come on

Yeah, s1ocki otm -- developing Tyrus' character would have made as much sense as developing the ricin cigarette's character. He was there, he was one of the tools available in Gus' toolbox, not everybody with lines has to be fleshed out.

Jesse + Walt sink the remaining capital into a line of hand-rolled incense using natural herbs & plants from the mountains of New Mexico - it's a whole thing, man, all natural and very cleansing. Most episodes next season involve the nuts and bolts of making incense as the ancient peoples did, by reducing flowers and leaves to essential oil and then infusing pine resin with the resultant oil. The result is an incense that burns longer and cleaner with none of the sooty, sawdusty smell of other incenses on the market today. Jesse + Walt's all natural incenses, the entirety of the final season