Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

do u ppl understand how 'fiction' works? suspension of disbelief?

anyway, s1ocki otm

Sometimes it's just good to see a ridiculously ambitious long con actually pay off, especially when Walt has been so useless all season.

From Walt's point of view it's brilliant, it just looks like a cartel vs Gus revenge thing. Although I bet he's secretly annoyed that Gus died without knowing it was Walt that killed him.

this episode was just immensely satisfying in every way

i never once imagined walt would leverage TIO to get to gus, or the brilliant way he pulled it off, with the visit to the DEA. yet as soon as those wheels are set in motion it's like "of course, this is the only play he has"

anyway, the zombie gus was awesome.

naw man it's not about "suspension of disbelief" it's about that scene was like the Bud Lite commercial version of the show. it's cool to have all kinds of insane shit but HE LEAVES...AND THEN HE STRAIGHTENS HIS TIE!!! AND THEN FALLS DOWN!! is just dumb. but yr right insofar as dating back to Tuco times this show's been lots of stuff where yr like "well, no, actually, after this scene the protagonist is dead under any remotely realistic reading"

but that's one thing and dumb IT'LL BE AWESOME! HE STRAIGHTENS HIS TIE! clever-college-student flourishes are another imo

He should have checked for dirt under his fingernails as well.

Gus is impossibly cool and calm and precise, it makes perfect sense for him to emerge (in shock), straighten his tie and collapse. His face was blown off but his brain was probably (mostly) intact. I mean obviously that wouldn't happen irl but it was a great scene and a fitting send-off.

It had a distinctly comic book graphic sensibility but that feels like a fitting end for Gus so after a night of p much dreaming that gif over and over because I was thinking about it so much right before bed, I'm okay with it. Now stop haunting me Gus Fring.

it was sad, that aero doesn't like cool things

Zombie Gus reminded me of one of the Garbage Pail Kids and I can't remember which one. It's really bugging me.

"you know what would make the climax of this season better, is if it were a little less cool"

by the way, i took this photo on sunday afternoon, at an herb garden off kingsland road:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6226/6233982776_241412732d_z.jpg

btw bomb plot only worked cause tyrus didnt search well enough via relying too heavily on his bug sweeping device, the bomb was not v well concealed - and the only reason tyrus was there to make that mistake is because the guy who shouldve been doing the sweep mike fucked up by not fully strangling a guy and got himself shot

― ice cr?m, Monday, October 10, 2011 8:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

huh? no, walt installed it AFTER tyrus checked the room, duh

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol duh

anyway i still thin its important that mike wasnt there

"you know what would make the climax of this season better, is if it were a little less cool"

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:34 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

pfft college kids

Mike's not there because he would have had to be killed, and the writers want Mike back! I think it's that simple.

feel like mike wouldnt have allowed any of this nonsense

That too

Kinda weird of Walt to assume that Gus was dead from the news as well. It was an educated guess but it could've been Hector and two heavies killed for all he knew.

I think Mike's the only one with a bigger-picture view of what's going on here? He needs to come back and be all "you don't know how badly you just fucked up, kid". Plus he's cool obviously.

Dudes, I just posted this upthread a few inches:

"Q: Given that Walt and Jesse know even less about Gus, and don’t know why he was so important that the cartel could not kill him, could their assassination of him come back to haunt them?

A. That’s a good question. We will be getting into that when the writers’ room reopens in November. But I can think of one gentleman who may have a problem with it, who’s a bit closer to home, who is Mike, played by Jonathan Banks. [laughs heartily] Mike may have a problem with what transpired, and I wouldn’t want Mike mad at me, I can tell you that."

That's the show's creator answering, btw.

Also, could have sworn, after Tyrus was searching the room and Walt was hiding outside, that Walt immediately raced to his car and motored off through an ... alley or something? I think it's possible that the bomb was just hiding in plain sight on the wheelchair, and Walt (and the uncle) dodged a bullet.

Saw a perceptive comment on the Slate review, which noted that this may have been the first ep of the season where you knew exactly what was going to happen. Not as a bad thing, just as a contrast to the "what next?'-ness of most of this season. I mean, we knew they were going to blow Gus up by suicide chair, but when he walked from the car to the room, with the faux-spaghetti western score? Dead man walking.

When

Guys have we ever talked about whether Tuco's cousins actually were doing all that crawling in the intros (per muerte cult practice apparently) or if it was also kind of an extended metaphor on the nature of their quest? There have been enough surreal moments in this show that one surreal one doesn't really bother me.

Listened to that Apparat song on the walk to the train this morning. Then there was a guy in a wheelchair when I got there.

I'm not wearing a tie.

Also, could have sworn, after Tyrus was searching the room and Walt was hiding outside, that Walt immediately raced to his car and motored off through an ... alley or something? I think it's possible that the bomb was just hiding in plain sight on the wheelchair, and Walt (and the uncle) dodged a bullet.

I think this is the case, and that Tyrus' sweeper was for radio/phone/video frequencies, so it would miss this little hardwired doodad.

i just rewatched the scene and its... unclear

I thought he just put it in after tyrus was in there.

but if i had to say yeah it does seem like he just runs to his car and drives away

Tracer y/n do you think the scene would have been EVEN BETTER! if Gus had looked at the camera and said, maybe, "don't use drugs, kids!" and then winked his remaining good eye?

I think the point I was getting at is that there are a lot of BB scenes that don't seem "real" as much as they follow a magic realism that seems to tie to the latin american roots of some of the characters

I mean, Gus was portrayed as having walked out of the room before straightening his tie and falling dead. Will we ever hear that referenced again? Doubtful. We've never heard any more about the narcocorrido about Heisenberg, or the twins crawling across parts of Mexico.

It had a distinctly comic book graphic sensibility

it's true, this was EXACTLY like this one Harvey Pekar comic!

that narcocorrido was actually a flashback and will be the final scene of the series

haha

I think Mike's mindset will be hilarious. "Man, I'm out of commission for a couple of weeks, and you blow up my boss, burn down the lab and generally guarantee more DEA involvement? I'm getting too old for this shit."

mike will just work for walt instead, it's all the same to him

season 5 will just be mike showing up out of nowhere every episode just to smack walt with the back of his hand

he thinks Walt is an assclown and is only starting to have a respect for Jesse

work for walt?? where at the carwash?

"he thinks Walt is an assclown"

Then he's a fool. Walt may be an arrogant self-absorbed jerk, but he's still ruthlessly and brilliantly disposed of every threat/obstacle in his path.

I don't get the impression that Mike thinks Walt is a clown of any sort though.

Walt may have ruthlessly and brilliantly disposed of every threat/obstacle in his path, but the fact he's had to do that in the first place show's he's not really able to keep control of events. Doubt he's really dream boss material in Mike's book.

he could bring in mike as a partner to run distro/muscle while walt does manufacture/money

walt isn't a clown, hes just can't be trusted and mike knows that

#badgrammer

walt is the ultimate nightmare coworker

Wasn't totally sold on Jesse's moral vacillation at the end of the ep re: killing Gus, btw. Gail I understand. But Gus? Whether or not he poisoned Brock, he was definitely, er, not good for Jesse, who apparently forgot that just the day before he was tased, kidnapped and handcuffed to the lab to work as a slave.

i never once imagined walt would leverage TIO to get to gus, or the brilliant way he pulled it off, with the visit to the DEA. yet as soon as those wheels are set in motion it's like "of course, this is the only play he has"

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:49 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

this. watching the whole jigsaw puzzle come together in a way that was unexpected but completely inevitable in retrospect was so satisfying.

Walt's very good at some things and is motivated, but for the most part his professionalism is in the gutter!

Compare how he manipulates Jesse versus Gus: Gus created a scene where Jesse would feel needed and competent, no direct involvement was needed from Gus or even Mike, and Gus is cool throughout the whole thing. Walt, on the other hand, relies on his relationship with Jesse being strained and emotional as a catalyst to turn Jesse against Gus after Walt personally sets up this cigarette heist/poisoning debacle.

xp was it kinda just happenstance that jesse knew abt gus tormenting tio? like did he have a purpose for standing nearby hearing that at the time?

ya but he won so

Gus paraded Jesse in front of Tio -- "HERE is the man who killed your grandson" -- so no, not happenstance.