2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

o nate that is not an unequivocal denial

McCain Withheld Controversial Abramoff Email

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/25/mccain-withheld-controver_n_88304.html

recently going not so smooth for senator mccain

seriously.

McCain seeks to retract 'I lose' statement

On Monday morning, McCain had told reporters that if he can't convince the American people the United States is succeeding, "then I lose. I lose," according to the Associated Press.

"We quickly retracted that," McCain later said of the comment. "I was not allowed to retract it, obviously. I don't mean that I'll quote ‘lose.' I mean that it's an important issue in the judgment of the American voters.

Now is the season of a thousand lazy zings masquerading as political commentary.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/12845/thumbs/s-BUSH-PATRIOTISM-PROBLEM-large.jpg

A 27-point increase in Obama's support nationwide since January 13. Astounding.

I havent heard any more than soundbites from either candidate and dont really follow US politics very closely but that is amazing.

I find it hard to get past the voice + wild bug eyes +sour lemon face+ pantsuit appearance of hillary, while Obama is the master of the soundbite. Personally he leaves me a little cold in a clinical way, I want to like him, RACIST maybe but theres a feeling I dont like about the guy, oddly Hillary feels more sincere and warm.

Dodd to endorse Obama

Another reason Hillary can't win: she's not left-handed.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08056/860162-294.stm

^haha THIS^

British R4/World Service going APESHIT over the Somali ceremonial dress photo and how it might have got to Drudge. Also somewhat amazed to hear BBC naming Drudge at all. What I find properly hilarious is that Obama even manages to rock that look, or at least look less silly in ceremonial dress than every politician I can think of. Hillary does not appear to be able to make friends with textiles of any kind and it's like she's still stuck with some Color Me Beautiful book from the '80s.

It is funny to read the Obama autobiography with 20/20 hindsight. I recommend. Obama actually worked for a Nader offshoot in NYC for three months in say '83, trying to implement recycling programmes. Nader is turning into the Harold Stassen of C21, a quarter-century hence.

As to Hillary, feminism and man-management, and why women mark her down for 'standing by her man', if my mother is anything to go by, she would have LOVED it if HRC would have divorced the Screaming Lobster of Hope before embarking on her career in elected office. She might have even considered voting for her in such a scenario, and so would lots of women on the working to middle-class spectrum who are a similar age to Hillary, basically a whole generation of women who have raised families etc. in the fallout of divorcing men who didn't measure up.

I too want Americans to benefit from universal health care FREE AT POINT OF NEED and to have this necessary part of life somehow not dependent on a negotiation with a potential employer or if self-employed, or paying mega playground-bully money to some insurer in exchange for a $5K deductible. The NHS was set up in the UK when there was fuck-all money to do it but there was a collective will to make it happen, so the excuses people make for it being impossible in the current climate are pfffft, really. All I know is that one candidate can't make it happen whoever they are, it has to be bigger than an individual.

Obama is no Blair - I think he's more like a Kevin Rudd type.

Also if we're off talking about handedness, let's be really silly and talk about astrology like my mom and I were the other night (her dad was an astrologer).

McCain = Virgo male. Hillary = Scorpio female. Obama = Leo male. Bill Clinton = Leo male. Offhand I can tell you that McCain might be a bigger wonk than you might think (Virgos are anal), Hillary is total Scorp woman in that she has confused marriage to power with yr actual power, and Obama and Bill as Leos are engaged in a King of the Pride thing.

http://drudgereport.com/nyc.jpg

working both sides of the street there. THEY CIRCULATED A SMEAR. AND HERE IT IS!

Obama is no Blair - I think he's more like a Kevin Rudd type.

Rudd is pretty much the Australian Blair. Fervent Christian, economic conservative, on the right wing of the Labor party.

working both sides of the street there. THEY CIRCULATED A SMEAR. AND HERE IT IS!

Interesting that they chose a different photo than the one that originally appeared on Drudge. I think the Drudge one was more menacing and looked somehow more Islamic: Obama's bowing his head, in what could be construed as a prayer-like pose, and he looks serious - not smiling, like in the one that the Post and Daily News put on their front page.

TEH GOGGLES! THEY DOES NOFINK! *sob*

http://i28.tinypic.com/25zt1l1.jpg

I havent heard any more than soundbites from either candidate

I'm not sure anyone has.

Finger-pointing in Clinton camp

Lines that were meant to be funny or show fighting spirit — “change you can Xerox” or “Shame on you, Barack Obama” — instead came off as peevish.

Earth to Shrillary: YOU'RE NEVER FUNNY

that hillary photo is a trip!!!

ok lol at that hillz photo

the 70s gender-studies professor look is a good one for her

gross

i think she looks awesome!

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080225/capt.32948d4d7682438e93b6c04c9972a109.clinton_2008_mack135.jpg?x=400&y=248&sig=z7N0ZaDqM6s1e_ToTPDdpA--

i much prefer this look

does anyone know what shes talking abt there - all the reporters are loling

Jim O'Rourke has pants just like those.

working both sides of the street there. THEY CIRCULATED A SMEAR. AND HERE IT IS!

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

i loled

lol @ comment on politico:

"Barack Hussein Obama Jr Is A Muslim I can hear the noise of the House of Cards crumbling down: Since the Oscars, Americans now realize who this Trojan Horse is - Barack Hussein Obama Jr is the guy trying to destroy America from inside, while his Sunni Muslim cousin Osama is trying to destroy America from outside! This guy was born as a Muslim, has been a Muslim till he converted to a militant Black Muslim of Luis Farrakkhan-type at the age of 26. As a facade, he is attending a militant Black Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago, where anti-White hate is preached by pastor Wright. With his wife Michelle he has been harboring resentments of America in their entire adult life. They hate America, they want to destroy it from the inside out. Barack Hussain O is UNELECTABLE, even if he steals the Nomination by hook or crook: 1. During time of war against Al Qaeda, Americans cannot elect a person of Islamic origin with low National loyalty and patriotism. 2. He is too anxious to wine and dine with our perennial enemies: Castro, Ahamedinajad and Kim Ill. 3. His knowledge of the International Politics is ridiculously poor, naive and terribly stupid. Americans can't just trust him. 4. He is a TAX and SPEND bleeding liberal, anxious to hike the SS tax and collect 1 trillion dollars from an ailing economy. 5. He goes around and promises tax cut for every faction of the Society. How in the world is he going to pay for it? He has no sense of fiscal responsibility. Americans just can't trust him with money. 6. In order to pander to some voters, he wants to condone breaking the law: he wants to give drivers license to illegal aliens! He should be knowing that issuing license is a State matter. Is he going to arrest the police and the Governors for refusing to give drivers license to illegals?! We are a land of laws. Instead of upholding the laws of the land, he encourages breaking the law! He is terribly stupid. 7. No bleeding liberal has been elected to the Presidency for the past 30 years. Why now? 8. He is a divider, a liar, a cheat, he hides his true identity from the American people. Therefore, Americans will overwhelmingly reject Barrack Hussein O for the Nomination and the Presidency of this great Nation. The House of Cards are crumbling, like that of Gary Hart, Teddy Kennedy, Chris Dodd and other bleeding FAR LEFT Liberals. Watch them routed out of National politics very soon. VOTE FOR REAL POSITIVE CHANGE; NOT for fuzzy stolen speeches! Vote for Hillary for the First Woman President of America. Make History, people. Cheers."

it almost reads like a bizzaro-political Dr. Bronner's label

well maybe just these lines (the slight rhyming):

Since the Oscars, Americans now realize who this Trojan Horse is - Barack Hussein Obama Jr is the guy trying to destroy America from inside, while his Sunni Muslim cousin Osama is trying to destroy America from outside!..militant Black Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago, where anti-White hate is preached by pastor Wright... Barack Hussain O is UNELECTABLE, even if he steals the Nomination by hook or crook

I'm annoyed by people disliking hil's more natural collegiate look. She looks kinda like my sister in the old photos. Anyway, I don't think she has a chance of winning the That 70s Show demographic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/Hillaryhasasecret.jpg

So she's always had those cheeks...

i should hope so

Fake cheek scandal!

YOUR CHEEKS SHOULD BE YOUR OWN!

No, Zelda korrekt, he's Kevin Rudd only in the sense of 'sorry, aboriginal people' and the professed Xtianity.

People who aren't Roxy Muzak.

wtf w/ that "Since the Oscars" opening to the crazypants rant?

SurveyUSA - McCain's only at 49% in Texas, with Hil at 43 and O at 41

Almost every non-politics-following person I know seems to be under the impression that whoever wins the Democratic nomination will inevitably take the other as his or her vice president. I wonder how people who believe this will respond when this does not happen.

A nice, in-depth look at the various convention-floor-fight/seating-MI-and-FL/super-delegate-arm-twisting/nefarious-Clinton-backroom-dealing scenarios by Michael Tomasky in the NY Review of Books:

A Possibly Super Problem

Almost every non-politics-following person I know seems to be under the impression that whoever wins the Democratic nomination will inevitably take the other as his or her vice president. I wonder how people who believe this will respond when this does not happen.

-- Dan I., Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:04 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I remember reading some crap on CNN where some pro athlete said that Obama/Clinton was the "Dream Team". lolz

I know two people that have said that!
I was like http://ohnolookoutitsaraygun.com/argh-Picard.jpg

Even as pols go, does anyone doubt that Ojesus and Shrillary intensely dislike each other? as do their organizations? If faking authenticity is key, that ticket would be a nightmare.

at the various convention-floor-fight/seating-MI-and-FL/super-delegate-arm-twisting/nefarious-Clinton-backroom-dealing scenario

this is not gonna happen now. all speculation is predicated on Hillary winning OH, TX AND PA by wide double-digit margins, which is not going to happen. She's not polling nearly that far ahead anywhere, and all the polling trending data indicates Obama is on the upswing and narrowing her leads with each passing day. (Plus, has she beat Obama by double-digits anywhere to-date?)

Hillary's done. It's all over but for the kicking and screaming.

Probably pretty ridiculous, but I keep forgetting that Hillary isn't a republican

all speculation is predicated on Hillary winning OH, TX AND PA by wide double-digit margins, which is not going to happen

Tomasky says that if Hils can keep Obama to within a 100-delegate lead after OH, TX, and PA, then the game's still on. I don't think she'd need double-digit margins to do that, though I haven't done the detailed delegate math.

if Hils can keep Obama to within a 100-delegate lead after OH, TX, and PA

I think that's pretty unlikely given the way Texas is shaping up (and the fact that she could win the popular vote there and still get fewer delegates)

http://www.pollster.com/08TXPresDems600.png

obama's line is like a comfortable eames lounger

wtf w/ that "Since the Oscars" opening to the crazypants rant?

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I assumed the reference was to this joke in Jon Stewart's monologue:

"You have to give Barack Obama credit, he's overcome a great deal. Not just he's an African-American. Barack Hussein Obama is his name. His middle name is the last name of Iraq's former tyrant. His last name rhymes with Osama. That's not easy to overcome. I think we all remember the ill-fated 1944 presidential campaign of Gaydolf Titler."

and clintons line is like a omg i gave up my insano half pulled back hair and hideous stripey pants for this !!!!