Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

Yeah, a dispiritingly weak ep this late in the game, hopefully the last one will be a coup (Gus has to die, surely). Think they´ll keep Hank alive, but I don´t rate his chances in S5 much.

Gus can't die*! He's a great character and you need someone who knows what's up and plans long-term strategies. Walt used to be a bit like that but now along with everyone else he's just reacting and scrabbling around.

*I mean, they could well kill him. But it would be a lesser show without him unless they bring in some ultimate boss baddy.

if gus is dead surely who will get hank

they have to get rid of gus, i mean i love him, but im ready for a new plot

This has felt like The Gus Year to me, so yeah, it's probably all about the rise and fall of Gus.

If Gus is gone, then there are no looming life/death conflicts. Hank/Walt/Family safe, out of the meth business, etc. They need Gus as a threat to push things forward. I will say that the ridiculous Ted turn of events leaving Walt without his pile of money ratchets things up a bit, because sans Gus they'd have to deal with practical issues, but I doubt that is how things will play out. Best bet I can think of is Walt trying to find a way to rat Gus out to the feds while saving his own skin, which seems to me fuel enough for plenty of tension/conflict/suspense, albeit of a real we've-seen-this-before variety.

I'd be bummed if they gave Walt any degree of real salvation, though. Dude is a prick. Any time Skyler gets worried about his well being I think, jeez, fuck this guy that put your whole life at risk.

This has felt like The Gus Year to me, so yeah, it's probably all about the rise and fall of Gus.

― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), miércoles 5 de octubre de 2011 22:00 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

He brought down an entire cartel, and was brought down by a nutjob with a goatee.

I'd be bummed if they gave Walt any degree of real salvation, though.

They won't

Walt trying to take over Gus´ splintered empire could provide masses of plot.

I can't imagine they'll kill Hank off before he comes to the realization that Walt was Heisenberg.

he may already know

Wonder if they'd rope Hank in, have him help take down Gus while saving Walt. A family affair, as such.

Hank has no fucking clue. Yet.

you gotta assume that the final ep this season is a big cliffhanger, probably an "...is [character[] dead?" & the only q's at present are which character will that be & is he/she actually dead or no

End-of-season cliff hangers can go suck eggs

Walt trying to take over Gus´ splintered empire could provide masses of plot.

Walt has no clue what Gus' empire even entails though, even if he wasn't utterly utterly unfit to run any small part of it

fuck walt so much. totally happy for him to get offed and S5 to be The Gustavo Fring Show (starring Mike and Jesse).

― challopian rubes (sic), Monday, 12 September 2011 23:07 (3 weeks ago)

^ agree w/ this guy

BB hasn't really done stupid cliff hangers. The Gale thing was as close as they get.

end of season one was cliffhangery, if only due to the writer's strike.

"stupid" cliff hangers

he may already know

― conrad, miércoles 5 de octubre de 2011 22:13 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Hank has no fucking clue. Yet.

― Josh in Chicago, miércoles 5 de octubre de 2011 22:14 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Feel this back and forth has comprised the majority of the BB thread recently (I am in the latter camp)

End-of-season cliff hangers can go suck eggs

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), miércoles 5 de octubre de 2011 22:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Also, maybe try a different show?

is there really anyone besides conrad who thinks hank knows about walt at this point?

i stand by my hanks belly has an inkling abt walt even if his mind wont admit it thesis

That I can get behind, but he certainly doesnt actually know.

HANK KNOWS

for anyone not following this thread I have been satirising the idea that hank may know btw

haha

it's clever stuff

Also, maybe try a different show?

I can't remember any end-of-season cliffhangers in this show? Just saying I hope they don't spring one on us this time.

I think the situation with Gus has now gone so far beyond the point-of-no-return that he has to either die, be kidnapped or put seriously in hospital to give Walt and Jesse some breathing space.

It's worth remembering that whatever is in Gus's past is so bad and so terrifying that the head of a Mexican drug cartel did not dare to kill him when he had ample opportunity. Whatever that is is going to rain down so fucking hard on Walt and Jesse and they don't even know it. I kind of want to see that happen.

The Gus character is awesome but they can bring him back in flashbacks if need be.

Whatever that is is going to rain down so fucking hard on Walt and Jesse and they don't even know it.

This is why I've been wondering if Walt has seen the last of his family, with Sky, Walt Jr and Holly all going to Colorado or whatever. It seems possible that things will ratchet up way beyond the point of car wash cover stories.

It's worth remembering that whatever is in Gus's past is so bad and so terrifying that the head of a Mexican drug cartel did not dare to kill him when he had ample opportunity.

thought this was more because of his assets than any repercussions unless you think they'd be just as happy to kill gus and kidnap walt/jesse and force them to cook in mexico

"I know who you are" pretty much implies it's about status over assets.

It's been a while and I can't remember the exact wording, but I think he said 'the only reason I didn't kill you is that I know what you are' or something along those lines. I took that to mean that he could see that Gus was a businessman/a professional etc and that he could envision Gus making them money and getting on with things without causing problems even despite killing his cook/friend in front of him. It never occurred to me until I read it on here that he may have meant Gus had crazy dangerous connections.

Pretty sure it was "I know who you are", and it is implied in the previous season that Gus has military connections.

I think if the Don was that interested in retaining Gus's business insight he might have thought twice about shooting his meth cook in the head. And if he wasn't that interested then being a good businessman alone would not be enough to save Gus's life.

Whatever's happened in between may have changeed the Don's mind about keeping Gus around, but I definitely think that military/high status/seriously terrifying organised crime connections are implied.

I just thought that the Don was working from a gut feeling that Gus could be trusted and had something about him (he had shown himslef to be both brave and shrewd, and had an excellent front for his drug dealing via the restaurant) and the cook potentially wasn't as reliable.

I clearly missed any implied military background, it would explain the fastidiousness and emotionless brutality I suppose.

Also if Hank is correct about the sheer scale of Gus's empire outside Los Pollos Hermanos then someone would probably have to have been bankrolling it in the early stages.

Wonder how much Mike knows as well.

Mike is omniscient

Gus having military or similar links was hinted at with hank's background check too.

cranstons interview w/ marc maron is up today -- sorta some mild spoilers abt the season finale late in the interview (~1h 17m) where he describes in vague terms the end of the ep b4 it goes 2 black

Gus having military or similar links was hinted at with hank's background check too.
what if he is augusto jr and not gustavo?

Maybe he is Hitler's grandson.

What if Mike is the reincarnation of Copernicus?

I can get on board with the copernicus-hitler theory but gus having military/high status/seriously terrifying organised crime connections doesn't seem to jive with the don pushing him around and generally treating him like a bitch I may have missed something

http://www.avclub.com/articles/jonathan-banks,62836/?utm_medium=promobar&utm_campaign=recirculation

I'm pretty confident that

a) Gus will die.
b) next season's "big bad" will be when Walt discovers the reasons why not even the cartel was willing to shoot him. IE, his backers.

In the next season, Walt takes on Germany.

I can get on board with the copernicus-hitler theory but gus having military/high status/seriously terrifying organised crime connections doesn't seem to jive with the don pushing him around and generally treating him like a bitch I may have missed something

Dunno, in the cause-for-retribution stakes, treating someone like a bitch is a bit different to shooting them in the head and dumping their body in the desert.