So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

I read (on the BBC or the Guardian) that one thing that helped Ms Knox secure her release was that Berlusconi has a strong interest in seeing Italy's investigating magistrates discredited.

LOL

That is awesome. It's the kind of end-of-book quiet bombshell John Le Carre would drop in, and you'd shake your head and go "well, maybe in BOOKS it works this way..."

http://i55.tinypic.com/28b7034.jpg

Italian magazine just happens to give away free knives with their latest issue.

That's the first issue of Oggi i've seen that hasn't had a partially-naked woman on the front. I thinks someone mentioned upthread that Italy doesn't really have tabloid newspapers, this might be true but it more than makes up for it in sensationalist magazines.

yeah italy is basically second to none in terms of sensationalist irresponsible media.

It's back

Amanda Knox faces retrial over Meredith Kercher murder

Italy doesn't have anything prohibiting double jeopardy?

The UK sacked it..

italy, everybody!

― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:56 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this case refuses to die! i'm not gonna lie, might read the book.

will be a good book but this is nowhere near ready for publication

Meanwhile Rudy Guede - who was *ALSO* convicted of the murder and is in prison for it - is eligible for parole in 2016. He could very well be out before they're done with Knox!

Can't she refuse to defend herself? Now that she's back in the USA I mean?

she could get extradited

extradition between europe and the US is kinda one way

She won't get extradited. US won't allow it because of double jeopardy.

Yeh, no way is she serving time now. Italian courts often hold trials without the defendant but being present eg. Berlusconi's trials.

Presumably the Italian guy is fucked though...

#AmandaKnoxABC

this was the stupidest trial ever. the case against her never made sense to me.

someone shd compare & contrast how abc portrays the story here vs how they did 5 yrs ago

now shes playing cat power cover songs how is she not in jail

cat power is awesome

lol @ Diane Sawyer "hard as it is to imagine, people DO sometimes give false confessions."

like, she was in a stressful situation. it's not at all hard to imagine.

Knox and Sollecito found guilty this go-around. Sad interview with Kercher's brother and sister. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25941999

Goddamn Italy has a kangaroo court justice system. No way this woman should be extradited. What a joke.

I'm totally out of touch with this. What's the most reasonable position on what actually happened?

this is still going on? wtf italy!?

Cardamom, there was a guy who broke into the apartment and robbed them who pleaded guilty to murdering her. The evidence against him was, i think, stronger than against knox.

Ah yeah - now I remember. Was there something about her being involved with the robber in some way?

(What I'm doing here is prob very annoying as I could surely google all this, ffs, but secretly I want to know what ilx people think about this)

The robber scenario is totally separate from the knox/sollecito(sp?) scenario but all accused parties have been found guilty. That's the central absurdity of this thing.

Knox should never step foot into Canada or Mexico again.

iirc the prosecutor is some sort of tabloid-driven conspiracy magnet? it all seems kind of fucked up and based more on what makes an interesting court narrative than the truth

This sort of reminds me of how those (4? 5?) Australians are being threatened with being put on trial remotely whether they like it or not in South America cos the cops there claim they pushed some guy off a balcony when it is so screamingly obvious even in pics it wasnt possble (and they werent actually there at the time).

http://www.smh.com.au/world/framed-for-murder-20130812-2rqxg.html

sooooo i've just been reading one of these kook-ball "WE present the REAL STORY" web sites and i've done a total 180 on this, just as the authors intended; it sure does seem like sollecito at least was there

also reading the details again is horrifying

the whole thing is so addicting if you have an appetite for mysteries; it reminds me of intense wave of newsgroup "fact"-marshalling around the OJ trial, vast armies with their favorite pieces of pet evidence

link please?

it's at the obviously unbiased "truejustice.org"

Criminal justice in Europe is generally a disaster. Defense attorney culture was wiped out in WWII, and the inquisitorial legal system has become over the decades a rubber stamp for the State's Attorneys. This is not that big a deal where the SAs are professional and serious people -- but that will differ from province to province, let alone nation to nation -- and sentences are generally lighter than in the Anglo-American system, so that the unofficial but real tendency is to convict where there is any doubt in absolute innocence, because what's the harm? The harm is that the tendency towards heavier punishment is solidly on the march throughout Europe, and that common law countries have to figure out what to do with conviction from other nations they have treaties with that would never have been convictions in the common law country.

Americans berating the legal system of other countries is a constant source of hilarity

http://politicalblindspot.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/17.jpg
"I know, right?"

Yes, Yes, Florida's acquittal of George Zimmerman disqualifies all Americans from criticizing one of our citizens from being tried three times, and acquitted once, by a kangaroo court that allowed psychic testimony and already has the murder behind bars. We get it, blah blah blah blah

...the murderer behind bars...

dang, Bill pretty on point here

i wasnae thinking of one trial tbh

any criticisms of the Kercher case - and i'm sure there are many valid ones - ought to be made from a standpoint that doesn't try to compare Italy's justice system with yr own morally corrupt, racist, murderous justice system tho. ours is reasonably morally corrupt and racist too tbf

there's also a fair leap from "these trials have been conducted in such a way as to make any conviction completely unsafe" and "yay Knox is totally innocent no question", so to say "the murderer is behind bars" is a bit of a stretch

well, there's innocence before the law and innocence in the sense of whether or not you did commit the crime