So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

either there was no milk in the house or we're dealing with a total psycho

I use my 8" kitchen knife to cut almost anything. The defense theory that there must have been a second knife is based on what? The depth of the cut?Is there any way to accurately determine the breadth of a cutting blade from a cut? What if one person accidentally or purposely cut Kercher's throat (thus obviating any need to subdue her) and then, for whatever reason proceeded to stab her multiple times?

"Also the diverse morphology of the injuries and their number and distribution lead one to consider that those participating in this criminal action were more than one".

I understand this sentence but I am dubious about the facts behind it.

of course the issue here isn't whether there's a convincing defence version of events but whether the prosecution version shd have ever been considered convincing

Guede's bloody fingerprint was found on the bed right? So either he was involved or he happened to be in a strange girl's flat and found the body?

Or the forensics and the investigation were completely botched and/or corrupt.

"He ruled out that the knife (Exhibit 36) could have caused the wound on the opposite side ... because of the size of the wound (1 cm and a half with a depth of 4 cm) and the fact that at 4 cm from the tip the width of the blade of the knife is about 3 cm and therefore much larger than the width of the wound (as indicated, 1.5cm)." xp to mwhite

Guede 'fessed to something tho which - i know, right? - but still

Yeah, and bloody footsteps that matched his shoes. And he confessed, but changed his story a million times. He definitely did it, but for some reason the Kerchers are despairing that there is somebody else out there, escaping justice.

im kind of blown away by the amount of misinformation thats out there circulating--is this just a british tabloids-shitty-translations-of-italian-tabloids thing? or what

not like those fine upstanding american tabloids!

"Jury's Verdict Unlocks Knox - Sprung after 4 years in prison - Beau also cleared of grisly slay - Chaos as mob cries 'murderer!'" - New York Post - Tuesday 4 October 2011

this all plays well into my theory that european countries don't have the death penalty because their right-wing kooks and miscarriages of justice really beat ours hands-down

Yeah, and the guy's black too so if it was America he'd been a dead man walking amirite?

I dunno, does he have a learning disability too?

botched crime scene work + criminal investigation driven by what sounds like a crazy person + media circus court case + four years = anything goes

xp to max

now now i wasnt trying claim that american tabs are better than UK tabs, tho they are

they did break Elvis's secret life as a UFO pilot first, tbf

Can't we just all be friends and agree that Italy has worse corruption, racism, and terrible tabloids?

Sorry any Italian people.

As always the best guide to what happened can be found here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043338/

The Italian tabloids couldn't be worse than the British ones, could they?

Sorry any Italian people.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:07 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

JUSTICE FOR DOM PASSANTINO

Or the forensics and the investigation were completely botched and/or corrupt.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:57 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't remember the exact details from that rolling stone but initial crime scene was contaminated/breached beyond belief

some cases will never get solved, cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_Ramsey

nypost is waste in the extreme but still better than the sun

thought this was quite good on how the italian justice system is geared up to generate debate and discussion, not to settle it. (eg, prosecutors get to appeal? after the defence has successfully appealed itself? wtf?) just another part of berlusconi's entertainment empire:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/04/amanda-knox-case-italy-justice

Doubt there's much in any developed country worse than the worst of the Brit tabloids, although the Italian press might be advocating shooting all immigrants for all I know.

come on, that's only the Express

another thought...

The defense theory that there must have been a second knife is based on what?

The "first" knife was picked up from Sollectio's flat, from a drawer containing other cutlery, the only reason to link it to the crime is the now discredited DNA evidence. IOW the "second knife" theory is misnamed, the knife submitted as evidence is a complete red herring, there was only one murder weapon which has never been recovered.

Makes sense

So if there was only one murderer then the authorities have basically fucked any chance the family will ever get of achieving closure or a sense of justice or anything? Excellent work all concerned.

italy, everybody!

Well aside from the fact that the murderer is already behind bars for killing Meredith Kercher, and will be for quite a long time..

achieving closure

Expression needs to be euthanized, imho.

Yeah sorry I got carried away.

The Italian tabloids couldn't be worse than the British ones, could they?

I can't speak for the tabloids, but when I was in Italy I saw a TV programme which seemed to be about how the Rothschilds were the secret world government. There was a graphic showing the places where the five original Rothschilds went to - AND WHEN YOU JOINED THEM TOGETHER THEY MADE A STAR.

also, the programme's presenter was wearing a balaclava.

there needs to be a public ceremony where the kercher's family, amanda knox's family, sollecito's family, guede's family and representatives of the US and EU get together over a big fat file of papers, and solemnly take turns stamping CASE CLOSED on the file.

then we'd have "closure"

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/GT/david-caruso-0409-lg.jpg

From what I recall, they don't really have tabloids in Italy, just 'proper' newspapers. The TV is another matter, especially on the channels owned or controlled by Berlusconi (which is virtually all of them).

The one shred of comfort I have in these difficult times is that our TV news is relatively impartial as far as these things go.

I saw somewhere that the prosecutor is only still working because he's currently appealing against an 18-month sentence for something or other. That can't be right can it?

Or that the Prime Minister is only in his job because he has enough money to repeatedly appeal against all his convictions until the statute of limitations says the case has been going on too long and has to be closed

Hm, that's a fair point.

I read (on the BBC or the Guardian) that one thing that helped Ms Knox secure her release was that Berlusconi has a strong interest in seeing Italy's investigating magistrates discredited.

LOL

That is awesome. It's the kind of end-of-book quiet bombshell John Le Carre would drop in, and you'd shake your head and go "well, maybe in BOOKS it works this way..."

http://i55.tinypic.com/28b7034.jpg

Italian magazine just happens to give away free knives with their latest issue.

That's the first issue of Oggi i've seen that hasn't had a partially-naked woman on the front. I thinks someone mentioned upthread that Italy doesn't really have tabloid newspapers, this might be true but it more than makes up for it in sensationalist magazines.

yeah italy is basically second to none in terms of sensationalist irresponsible media.

It's back

Amanda Knox faces retrial over Meredith Kercher murder

Italy doesn't have anything prohibiting double jeopardy?

The UK sacked it..

italy, everybody!

― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:56 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink