Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

Ah they were so unsubtle with the kid stuff, if it was good writing you might see it coming, they lumped in that nintendo scene knowing this was on the cards.

It's also dumb within the world of the show.

I know Jesse is dumb but think of what he'd have to believe to think walt did this.

It's such a loose chain that it makes gus dumb for thinking Jesse would believe it.

Love this show but this ricin thing is pretty silly and loose by its own v high standards, not of realism but of storytelling.

idk that the ricin plot altogether is poor but i was a lil confused as to why jesse thought walt did it

They kind of cheapened the Walt laughing bit by having him break it out again in this episode

"Walt, we're out car wash solution"
http://image.com.com/tv/images/genie_images/story/2011_usa/b/breakingbad_walthole.jpg

idk that the ricin plot altogether is poor but i was a lil confused as to why jesse thought walt did it

purely because only he and walt knew about the ricin apparently which meant it was definitely walt but turns out it wasn't or maybe was

LocalGarda otm but - it's not about plausibility/realism but bad plotting/exposition which as this point seems will require some kind of *reveal* that could v well be crap

"Tyrus is def. the only character who's been painted as a big asshole from day one"

I don't read him as a asshole at all. He just constantly has a "look at what I have to put up with" face which is totally understandable, because that's the face I'd have too!

Brock totally isn't displaying their description of ricin poisoning symptoms.

It's only a ridiculous loose chain if the kid was actually poisoned, AND if Walt was right about Gus planning the entire thing. I agree Gus would be dumb to assume Jesse would blame Walt - Jesse has just seen Gus poison an entire Mexican drug cartel.

Felt like the point of the whole episode was to throw everyone's extreme paranoia into complete overdrive and totally fuck up any remaining loyalties that might exist.

^^^^ OTM x 1000

I can't see them twisting it to say he wasn't poisoned in a season finale, what a huge waste of time that would be. Plus why was the ricin missing then?

Unless Gus did some sort of double bluff loyalty test on Jesse...

Of course it wouldn't be a waste of time, it's already thrown Jesse's loyalties, that were building up throughout the series, into complete confusion. From a dramatic point of view that's probably enough.

The only eventuality in which it WOULD be a waste of time would be if we found out before any hit on Gus/Walt, and Jesse just went back to the lab and carried on cooking. That would be lame, and won't happen for that reason.

Dunno, it's possible that the ricin going missing and the kid going into hospital are unconnected, and that there's another plan for the ricin maybe? They've obviously left a lot of grey area deliberately open.

Felt like the point of the whole episode was to throw everyone's extreme paranoia into complete overdrive and totally fuck up any remaining loyalties that might exist.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:21 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^ OTM x 1000

― pullapartsquirrel (Jenny), Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:42 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah gp

Hey, maybe that one cigarette Skyler smoked was the ricin cigarette!

Maybe Jesse smoked the ricin cigarette by mistake!

Maybe Walt's dog ate it!

So wait, is there only one episode left this season?

jesse poisoned brock bc the kid owns him in sonic. not sure how you guys are missing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_LbuskT6pU

Pretty sure Matt is otm and the entire purpose of the episode was to put Jesse into the same wacked-out paranoid state that Walt is in. It's stupid, because with the exception of the "must deal with Hank" issue, Gus is the stable one. Walt is really only guessing that Gus will come back at him for attempting to protect Hank, right? I don't remember Gus saying "if you try to warn your brother in law, all bets are off."

I really think that both Walt and Jesse are attributing to Gus actions that Gus really doesn't care about. I mean, even if Hank has his scent, he has about one million ways of addressing that that do not involve killing him. He's got a lot of good vibes at the DEA and has covered up his operation really well!

p sure gus wants to kill hank and walt and his whole family jesse brok and everyone else in the world

rly? I don't get the impression Gus is a "kill for the sake of killing" guy, more like a guy who kills for a reason, and not wildly.

Well, the whole abandoning the car thing shows that even Gus is not immune to psycho paranoia.

You could see him looking around and kind of doing the math!

Mike not there to watch the car as he's in the hospital. Both his goons went in the hospital with him. Unattended car for a period of time. Man at hospital who seems to think he's done something wrong and has a history of being unstable and has a partner who feels actively threatened.

In the terms of being a long-time high-level drug distributor, walking away from the car seems pretty logical.

yeah just seemed like another case of gus being an irl criminal while walt n jesse play act

walt: "it's brilliant!!!"

http://www.footballforumsguide.com/forums/images/smilies/smilie_rolleyes.gif

Reminded me of the Don staring at his tequila and waiting for Gus to drink his first.

Walt has got Gus consistently wrong thoughout this season.

Whether or not Walt's wrong almost isn't relevant right now. The whole season has hinged on 'whose side is Jesse on?' and now he's a spinning needle. If you get killed by paranoid play actors, you're still dead.

sure walt and jesse can def kill gus, theyre just operating at a noted disadvantage

I am actually rooting for Jesse to learn more from Gus, because all Walt does is argue with him and force him into shitty decisions, whereas Gus manipulates him into thinking he has potential and then sets up an apprenticeship with Mike.

Gus has a much more nuanced view of the concept of trust, whereas Walt treats it as a binary!

I don't remember Gus saying "if you try to warn your brother in law, all bets are off."

actually he said exactly this

Ah, that makes slightly more sense as to why Walt is going nuts.

we'll see how ricingate plays out but any one of the outcomes feels unsatisfactory... the most interesting is if walt actually poisoned the kid. if gus did it, well that's been telegraphed pretty well. maybe gus had someone take the ricin cigarette and then poisoned the kid with something other than ricin to mess with jesse's head? or maybe he wasn't poisoned on purpose at all and jesse just lost the cigarette. either way fuck this macguffin.

gus' precog probably wouldn't have bothered me in a diff eps - as a tension-building scene it worked, it was well-executed, etc. maybe it's unfair to compare this to the last couple eps of s3, where the events felt like the inevitable snapping shut of some horrible trap, but this time around the seams are showing, feeling like I can see the writers' strings yanking the characters around.

still a great show, there have been some fantastic eps this season, this one suffered mainly from blowing last week's windup.

why didn't gus leave one of his two hospital pals with the volvo - a bit fishy

Because then he wouldn't have had any backup. Tyrus was already in the hospital. The other guy drove there with him.

get another pal gus it's too risky or get tyrus to come out and meet you at the car for god's sake

Why did Gus even bother to show up to the hospital if he was willing to back down so easily? He could have just sent a sympathetic message that Jesse should take his time. Why put himself at risk for no gan? (Answer: convenient to the plot set up).

And by the way, the way he's been depicted I get the impression Tyrus would have no problem killing anyone for any reason. Those three workers he put back on the bus to Bolivia or wherever? What are they odds they even got on a bus? The guy's glare alone is lethal.

No gain, that is.

maybe gus came to the hospital so that he could hear the kid had been poisoned and act all shocked and compassionate

if tyrus killed those workers why pretend they went on a bus let walt know about it so that he can shit it even more

"get another pal gus it's too risky or get tyrus to come out and meet you at the car for god's sake"

I'm not sure he was thinking about the risk until he spoke to Jesse.

"Why did Gus even bother to show up to the hospital if he was willing to back down so easily?"

Gus didn't seem to be aware the kid had been poisoned.

Tyrus didn't tell him? And how did Tyrus find him at the hospital?

Tailed him, presumably.

maybe tyrus didn't know the kid was poisoned but maybe he did ring jesse like where are you supposed to be at work and he said in the hospital

bitch

ha ha

But see, Jesse was there a while. Then he falls asleep at night. Then he wakes up to Tyrus poking him. If Tyrus had tailed him, was he just waiting outside the whole night? Very odd he could find Jesse in this hospital. Hospitals are big!

a bit fishy

he was like "where's jesse" to a nurse and she told him

maybe saul's goon planted some sort of tracking device on him

If Tyrus had tailed him, was he just waiting outside the whole night?

Yep.

unless he called him earlier while they were off camera and it woke jesse up and jesse told him or maybe it was the night before or maybe there's a tracking device on jesse's car I suppose

What do you think guys like Tyrus and Mike do? 90% of their job is waiting around. Jesse is the key to the entire operation right now.