So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

*news bulletins*

Well there's still a guy doing 16 years for the murder

This is the thing I don't really get. If Knox and Sollecito are innocent, why could it not just be that one guy already sent down for it? Are they saying there might be another accomplice still walking round?

I could be wrong, but all that stuff about her being a "she-devil" and a "witch", wouldn't that have got laughed out of a British court? Maybe it got laughed out of an Italian court, I don't know. Italy seems a fairly misogynistic or at least sexist society (I know, where isn't). (xxp)

"He (Berlusconi) is the longest-serving post war Prime Minister of Italy, and third longest-serving since the creation of Italy, after Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Giolitti."

xp Yes, there was a lot of misogyny in the language which may be something you wouldn't find so readily in a British court (as opposed to a British tabloid).

It's more this general "Hollywood Beckons" slant, as if:

1) the best kind of validation of anything is if Hollywood makes a movie of it
2) that somehow someone 'getting' this in an 'undeserving' way is purely to rile the general population

This is the thing I don't really get. If Knox and Sollecito are innocent, why could it not just be that one guy already sent down for it? Are they saying there might be another accomplice still walking round?

Looks like the family are saying that - the father is reported as saying that there were two knives used and there's no way that one person could be responsible.

how familiar is the father with the evidence and how much can he trust it based on what appear to be a string of procedural botches?

i don't really think we can trust anything the family says about the case tbh, harsh but fair.

otm

however, the early Daily Mail version:

http://davesaysthings.com/delicious-cake/dailymail-knox-guilty.png

ah, it's here in it's entirety:

http://davesaysthings.com/delicious-cake/dailymail-knox-guilty.png

shorter version:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7kpZKZc9VTs/ToohMMFaQTI/AAAAAAAACQQ/D-k0JAXFPiQ/s1600/guilty.jpg

The link has the full version, including quotes from all parties, and suchlike.

sidebar is still the most compellingly weird thing about the daily mail site. i don't know what mail readers' angle on the new pac sextape is, i guess it is maybe something to disapprove of.

Weeping tears pof self-pity and still denying he's a peadophile...Chris Langham plotting his comeback

Underneath pics of 'sultry' Kendal Jenner (15). You Couldn't Make It Up.

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg806/scaled.php?tn=0&server=806&filename=ypgq.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Foxy Knoxy: Would Ya?
So Amanda Knox has been cleared of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher. She’s entirely innocent. She’s also undeniably fit and loves wild sex. Or did. So if you were a guy who’d met her in a bar and she invited you back to hers, would you go? I’m being quite serious. Or would something in your brain make you think twice?

Or would something in your brain make you think twice?

Some biochemical process I assume?

i would hit it but but my parasitical brain-weevils say nuh-uh

acquittal removes much of the frisson or perhaps increases it

Also she's been in prison for four years, eh boys? Knowhorrimean? Wahey! Eh? Eh?

was digging at the media and its speculators, not Knox who i'd guess wants to disappear, like max said

oh no I got that, I was marveling at the combo of ice cold and hilarious

Even if she does want to disappear, it's not going to happen -- her family has a lot of debt to pay off due to legal fees so she's likely to be making the media circuit w/paid interviews and probably publishing a book as well.

couldn't she/wouldn't she/would she not shoot for compensation on account of wrongful conviction?

does her family really have that much debt? i was under the impression that they were pretty rich--father was a microsoft exec or something?

Whatever she does, I imagine Italy's off the itinerary for a while

Taking Sides: pizza in the joint, or pizza in Seattle?

I gotta know

"Amanda, I hear real Italian pizza is worth going to jail for..."

The lady at the post office checked my ID yesterday (was using a cc to pay for overseas shipping) and she was like "this reminds me of that GIRL! they set her free, right?" and we proceeded to talk about Foxy Knoxy for at least 3 min while other people waited in line.

Knox's father is a vice-prez at Macy's. Well off but not wealthy, I'd imagine.

Can somebody link to something that explains why the Kerchers think there was a second murderer?

La Lechera pics or it didn't happen

Can somebody link to something that explains why the Kerchers think there was a second murderer?

BBC keep saying this too as if it's fact that there must have been more than one murderer

... or maybe it was Channel 4 News with that terrible reporter who looks like Penfold from Dangermouse

this is not a link but I think guede's conviction was based on the fact that there was one or more others involved not sure why

xpost

"There were 47 wounds on Meredith and two knives used, one person couldn't possibly have done that." (Kercher's dad) - I think it's basically a line used by the prosection.

The one knife submitted as evidence was the one found in Knox's boyfriends kitchen, which the discredited forensics said had her and kercher's dna; a defence expert testified that the three cuts to Kercher's throat were made by a smaller knife.

When asked if there could have been two knives involved, a theory put forth by the prosecution when it had to admit that the smaller wounds could not have been made by the big kitchen knife, Torre replied, "It would be the first time in history that a murder was done with two knives.

translation of the report by original trial judge, including all forensic evidence heard by the court:
http://www.beforeyoutakethatpill.com/2011/3/Massei_Report.pdf

So:

- Acquitted couple's DNA found on big knife
- Murder was done with smaller knife

Wow, what a stumper

I mean.. the Kerchers have to be operating on some data that is more complicated than that?

ok if you read from page 368 on the above link, it was the opinion of the court that there must have been more than one assailant, essentially due to her being strong and fit and awake and sober, and thus requiring more than one person to subdue her - "Also the diverse morphology of the injuries and their number and distribution lead one to consider that those participating in this criminal action were more than one".

rmde

... even though "The consultants and forensic scientists have asserted that from the point of view of forensic science, it cannot be ruled out that the author of the injuries could have been a single attacker, because the bruises and the wounds from a pointed and cutting weapon are not in themselves incompatible with the action of a single person."

Torre replied, "It would be the first time in history that a murder was done with two knives.

"Et tu, Torre?"

http://cache2.artprintimages.com/p/LRG/29/2927/ZQ9RD00Z/art-print/c-l-doughty-the-death-of-julius-caesar.jpg

i have no way of knowing how much of this is true but the italian prosecutor sounds like a real piece of work

http://abcnews.go.com/International/critics-knox-prosecutor-giuliano-mignini-seeking-revenge-redemption/story?id=14623904

Decades passed with no resolution and then, in 2002, Mignini re-opened the case. He didn't buy into the lone psychopathic killer theory. Instead, he claimed, the murders were the work of a satanic sect, dating back to the Middle Ages, that needed female body parts for their black masses, to serve as the blasphemous wafer.

[...]

Preston and Spezi were investigating the Monster on their own. They pursued a lone killer theory which entirely undermined Mignini's. In short order, they found themselves in Mignini's crosshairs.

The prosecutor brought Preston in for an interview which, Preston said, quickly became an interrogation.

"He accused me of planting evidence and demanded that I confess to these crimes," he said. "I was accused of knowing all about Satanism and so on and so forth. And it was completely insane. It was like something out of a nightmare."

why would guede do it? what is the motive?

burglary gone wrong iirc.

this all plays well into my theory that european countries don't have the death penalty because their right-wing kooks and miscarriages of justice really beat ours hands-down

Rolling Stone sez:

There are many theories, but the most persuasive scenario goes as follows:

Guede stakes out the cottage after dark. He breaks into the girls’ apartment and makes himself comfortable. He swigs orange juice from a carton he finds in the refrigerator — he had a spicy kebab for dinner — and then uses the bathroom. While he’s on the can, Kercher enters the apartment, locking the door behind her. Guede is trapped. He can’t exit through the window without alerting Kercher, and he can’t use the front door, because you need a key to open the lock from the inside. (Kercher’s keys would be stolen, along with cash, credit cards and phones.) Guede rises from the toilet without flushing, so as not to make a noise. He walks to Kercher’s bedroom. Perhaps he tries to explain himself — “Sorry, the door was open, I let myself in, I’m a friend of Giacomo’s downstairs” — or perhaps she starts screaming before he can speak. He grabs her by the mouth (there were bruises on Kercher’s face) and threatens her with the knife. He assaults her and, realizing that Kercher can identify him, he panics and kills her.

and he stabbed her 47 times to make it seem like a crime of passion?

47 wounds including bruises and defensive wounds, not 47 direct stab wounds (i can't even find a primary source for the number 47).

looking fwd 2 the spicy kebab defense