I'm wondering where the film stands in relation to Streep's marriage to Cazale--my guess is that she was making it either just before or just after he died.
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
this is the Annie Hall thread btw
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
Can we at least talk about how awful Barack Obama is?
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
We're reaffirming its goodness.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
lol clemenza
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
i love that scene in the classroom, don't see what's wrong with Meryl Streep either but then i'm in love with Manhattan so any criticism is too much!
Streep's take by the way is interesting:"I don't think Woody Allen even remembers me. I went to see Manhattanand I felt like I wasn't even in it. I was pleased with the film because Ilooked pretty in it and I thought it was entertaining. But I only worked onthe film for three days and I didn't get to know Woody. Who gets to knowWoody? He's very much of a womanizer; very self-involved. On a certain level,the film offends me because it's about all these people whose sole concernis discussing their emotional states or their neuroses. It's sad becauseWoody has the potential to be America's Chekhov. But instead, he's stillcaught up in the jet-set crowd type of life, trivializing his talent."
― piscesx, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
I'll remind Ms. Streep that Allen's stab at Chekhov in September was exactly that -- into his neck.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
what year is that Streep quote from?
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
some time in the late 90s maybe? http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/kammer/gossip-is-the-new-pornography/i first read it on IMDB way back.
― piscesx, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
I love Manhattan. You guys are loons.
― polyphonic, Monday, October 3, 2011 3:47 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Monday, October 3, 2011 3:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― horseshoe, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
philosophy schmilosophy
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llwy6n7fOX1qbyzufo1_500.gif
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
What an intense young Method actress.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
what a fucking babe
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
weirdo
― remy bean, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
And I don't care for the clumsy way in which the movie tries to have it both ways: romanticism and sourness.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, October 3, 2011 5:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
thats why i dig it! real life tries to have it both ways too, man
the only thing i'll say against manhattan is a lot of the supporting characters are too wooden, too caricatured, but fuck me its a gorgeous movie... clemenza otm about 70s cinematography
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
Eh. The cinematography freezes the characters' crises like pins through a butterfly.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
Streep can shut up now that she mostly plays cartoon bitches (w/ the odd cartoon chef tossed in for flavor).
Annie Hall is intimate, Manhattan tries to have the characters stand in for a class. And they're around, I've seen them, but they don't talk to me.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
there are few films i dread like that thatcher biopic looming out there
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
also, what is so fascinating about a bunch of pituitary cases trying to stuff a ball through a hoop?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
ha are there woody allen movies where the characters don't stand in for a class? manhattan's at least slightly aware of it.
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
Manhattan is totally mediocre at best except for the first 5 minutes when it doesn't have people in it.
I saw Annie Hall recently and thought it very good, often: it seemed like the best of Woody Allen, like the best feature film version you were ever going to get of the thing that Woody Allen does or did on feature film.
― the pinefox, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPh59jOoiEs
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
you always hurt my feelings pinefox
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
i think annie hall is prob better, but i mean i don't even like to think like that
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
pinefox not otm except for the fact about the first 5 mins begin great because they unquestionably are
― Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
horseshoe otm... its like chocolate and vanilla... why cant we just appreciate living in a world with two delicious flavors in it
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
if you're gonna dismiss a film just cuz of sour characters, lotta Altman gonna fall by the wayside.
so we already covered that AH was supposed to be a murder mystery, yeah?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
that's right!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
but except for Short Cuts (remember those musical sequences) Altman didn't sentimentalize his sourness.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
uh you seen the long goodbye?
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
No sourness in TLG -- he's having a great time transforming the source material.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
so that's a no then
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
Those loving shots of nude women doing yoga, the security guard and his terrible Barbara Stanwyck investigation, Gould's performance -- none of this is sour!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
Plus, it's not like the Chandler material wasn't itself sentimental.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
long goodbye's at least as cornball sweet and sour as manhattan. it's an incredibly better movie obv - altman vs allen isn't much of a contest - but the wounded rejected romantic dumb heart at the core of every grouchy cynic is laid bare there as much as in manhattan or crimes and misdemeanors (the lesser allen storyline obv), most of the time altman's cynicism is more jovial misanthrope (or at least misogynist) but the long goodbye definitely has a romantic streak.
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
I know a cynic is an aggrieved sentimentalist, but I don't see cynicism in TLG, or even misanthropy, which is more obvious in the mid and late seventies movies.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
popeye sentimentalizes sourness also, but whatever romanticism is there is due to nilsson.
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
and such small portions!
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
wow, i read altman v. differently than you do. i see his films as disappointed humanism, maybe a touch sarcastic. but sour? i think altman's winking at his audience all the time, and the 'sourness' is always bracketed by a heavy dose of absurdity.
(except brewster mccloud, which might actually be sour, but that's only b/c i don't understand it at all)
― remy bean, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
agree with remy here re: Altman
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
weird that I have never noticed the complete lack of score/sdtk/music in this movie before.
amazing how breezily this movie blows by, the scenes are all really short but so perfectly sequenced
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Interiors doesn't have much music either (someone plays the piano?). He only got the swing/jazz jukebox going w/ Manhattan.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
all the good meetings are taken
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 23 June 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
i'd somehow never noticed that when alvy goes over to kill the spider the photos of him w/ the lobster are framed on the wall.
Gordon Willis rocks
http://www.filmforum.org/images/sliders/AnnieHall702.jpg
― piscesx, Saturday, 23 June 2012 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't read through this thread, but I can't even believe this is a question.
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Saturday, 23 June 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
I can't believe Face to Face isn't available on DVD
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 June 2012 11:44 (eleven years ago) link
Face To Face came out on DVD (but not BluRay) in the states last year from Olive Films.
― Electro-Shock Rory (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 June 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
will be esp revelatory to New Yorkers of a certain age -- the filming locations, in two parts:
http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=5704
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link