So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

eh newspapers hedge like this all the time, by having two stories ready. not an indictment in itself of anything other than the competency of web site staff.

i assume the exciting public grandstanding carried out by judge, defence, prosecution, cops, etc. was what influenced the UK gov to open our courtrooms to TV cameras, give us a chance to experience it first hand

eh newspapers hedge like this all the time, by having two stories ready. not an indictment in itself of anything other than the competency of web site staff.

please be reassured that all of my lols are squarely aimed at the web site staff

Now what? Book deal, millions of dollars for her story/reality show/porn parody until everyone's sick of her?

The first flight out of Italy before the prosecution get their appeal going, surely

yeah, and enough common sense to tone down the victory celebrations in light of the unsolved murder of her former flatmate, please god

re hedging, I get that - it's more the reporting of a bunch of stuff that never happening that's the thing. If the appeal had failed and she'd shrugged, or maybe frowned a little, the story would still have been about her as a sobbing wreck.

Well there's still a guy doing 16 years for the murder xp

I expect her to record a duet with DSK - that other recent innocent victim

Dancing With The Stars 2012, signature move involving a cartwheel across the dance floor?

eh newspapers hedge like this all the time, by having two stories ready. not an indictment in itself of anything other than the competency of web site staff.

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Prosecutors were delighted with the verdict and said that 'justice has been done' although they said on a 'human factor it was sad two young people would be spending years in jail'.

xp w/ IK

oh for some reason i thought Guede had done one

maybe cos him and the other two all having done it makes no sense

wait I thought this person helped killed someone

That Mail article is still live http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2044583/Amanda-Knox-verdict-GUILTY-appeal-murder-conviction-rejected.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

why did the forensics not get done properly first time? talk on the BBC just now of masks not being worn and evidence not being bagged, tagged the usual way? any uh.. forensic experts on ile (wouldn't surprise me!).

I think there is a Rolling Stone article above that discusses all the issues with the crime scene.

Now what? Book deal, millions of dollars for her story/reality show/porn parody until everyone's sick of her?

A reality show where she shares an apartment with Casey Anthony and they have wacky adventures together?

there were two charges, apparently; she got the murder charge overturned but lost the defamation charge where she accused Patrick Lumumba of being the murderer

ha ha, it's like a simpsons thing though; i hereby pronounce you GUILTY!

- of slander & thereby must pay $15 in damages. of murder?, oh, sure, innocent.

i kinda doubt amanda knox wants to be famous

well she shouldn't've not committed a crime then

damn dude

The Rolling Stone made it seem kind of ludicrous that she was tried at all, so much so that I recoiled a bit because it seemed almost like a release by the PR machine they talk about. But then you hear about the speeches comparing her to Goebbels or bloody Jessica Rabbit and it's just like nobody's trying to find an impartial truth here.

xp

was digging at the media and its speculators, not Knox who i'd guess wants to disappear, like max said

'human factor it was sad two young people would be spending years in jail'.

ha did not read that. lol mail?

I'd be interested to know what the Italian media response is to this. I've largely ignored the whole thing, but I get the impression the UK media have demonised Know while the American media have held her up as victim of a gross miscarriage of justice. Personally, I have no idea if she's guilty or innocent and whether her being released is a good or bad thing. I'd like to know what a 'neutral' country's perspective is.

Actually, I suppose Italy aren't exactly neutral as their legal system is kind of on trial here. Someone tell me what the French think.

the swiss surely

*Gallic shrug*

What I read (possibly in Rolling Stone) was that her lying about Lumamba's involvement (and maybe alibi and other things too?) was for Italians basically conclusive of her guilt. Then there were the highjinks in the police station. Kind of an honour-based way of looking at it. You can see the appeal of that approach when it comes to judging character, but it's still a whole other thing whether they did the murder or not.

The tension in court as the verdict was delivered exploded into gasps when the presiding judge, Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, began by declaring that the American student's appeal had been rejected, before adding that the rejection only applied to the slander charge.

this is really awful

that claudio! what a prankster

you're being REJECTED ... from italy!!!

i find you GUILTY ... of being in prison too long!!!!!

I sentence you to death... by chocolate!

it was like this Blue Jam sketch where the guy gets his HIV test over the phone but i'm sure no-one remembers that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_HD2MMNv_c

The tension in court as the verdict was delivered exploded into gasps when the presiding judge, Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, began by declaring that the American student's appeal had been rejected, before adding that the rejection only applied to the slander charge.

lol - "This. Is. AMERICAN IDOL!"

"I'm sorry ..... but you're going to have to GET RELEASED FROM PRISON!!!!"

i assume it takes a certain kinda culture to swallow the "she's obv a ho so she must have done it" line

"He (Berlusconi) is the longest-serving post war Prime Minister of Italy, and third longest-serving since the creation of Italy, after Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Giolitti."

idk whether it was a specifically Italian thing. I get the impression that her alleged promiscuity was only one element of a more complex picture that was built up around her. She wasn't painted as immoral, she was painted as a psychopath. There was a huge amount of pop-psych commentary that fitted her behaviour in the police station and in court into a template of the 'textbook psycho' - cold, manipulative and incapable of feeling.

There are so many problems with clinical diagnosis of psychopathy, trying to do it via new bulletins is always going to be tricky.

*news bulletins*

Well there's still a guy doing 16 years for the murder

This is the thing I don't really get. If Knox and Sollecito are innocent, why could it not just be that one guy already sent down for it? Are they saying there might be another accomplice still walking round?

I could be wrong, but all that stuff about her being a "she-devil" and a "witch", wouldn't that have got laughed out of a British court? Maybe it got laughed out of an Italian court, I don't know. Italy seems a fairly misogynistic or at least sexist society (I know, where isn't). (xxp)

"He (Berlusconi) is the longest-serving post war Prime Minister of Italy, and third longest-serving since the creation of Italy, after Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Giolitti."

xp Yes, there was a lot of misogyny in the language which may be something you wouldn't find so readily in a British court (as opposed to a British tabloid).

It's more this general "Hollywood Beckons" slant, as if:

1) the best kind of validation of anything is if Hollywood makes a movie of it
2) that somehow someone 'getting' this in an 'undeserving' way is purely to rile the general population

This is the thing I don't really get. If Knox and Sollecito are innocent, why could it not just be that one guy already sent down for it? Are they saying there might be another accomplice still walking round?

Looks like the family are saying that - the father is reported as saying that there were two knives used and there's no way that one person could be responsible.

how familiar is the father with the evidence and how much can he trust it based on what appear to be a string of procedural botches?

i don't really think we can trust anything the family says about the case tbh, harsh but fair.

otm