It's like they'd been fantasising about it for ages...
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
lol mail article still up
― prego, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
hahahahahahaha they've posted the "she's free" article on the homepage but the prefab "she's GUILTY" article hasn't been deleted yet
― the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
Italian justice system has really failed to cover itself in glory here - not that I'm implying other countries are better, just fucked up differently.
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
I suppose the best the Italians can say is that at least they didn't execute her...
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
Nobody is covered in glory here - the prosecution, the judge, the defence, the police, Knox, the Knox family, the pro-Knox media, the anti-Knox media...
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
as i say, differently fucked up. the whole prosecution story is kinda unlikely when you think about it, and i assume it takes a certain kinda culture to swallow the "she's obv a ho so she must have done it" line
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
tbh I can see that line working in quite a few countries
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
eh newspapers hedge like this all the time, by having two stories ready. not an indictment in itself of anything other than the competency of web site staff.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
i assume the exciting public grandstanding carried out by judge, defence, prosecution, cops, etc. was what influenced the UK gov to open our courtrooms to TV cameras, give us a chance to experience it first hand
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
please be reassured that all of my lols are squarely aimed at the web site staff
― the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
Now what? Book deal, millions of dollars for her story/reality show/porn parody until everyone's sick of her?
― StanM, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
The first flight out of Italy before the prosecution get their appeal going, surely
― Stone Monkey, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, and enough common sense to tone down the victory celebrations in light of the unsolved murder of her former flatmate, please god
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
re hedging, I get that - it's more the reporting of a bunch of stuff that never happening that's the thing. If the appeal had failed and she'd shrugged, or maybe frowned a little, the story would still have been about her as a sobbing wreck.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
Well there's still a guy doing 16 years for the murder xp
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
I expect her to record a duet with DSK - that other recent innocent victim
― StanM, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Dancing With The Stars 2012, signature move involving a cartwheel across the dance floor?
― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, October 3, 2011 4:20 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Prosecutors were delighted with the verdict and said that 'justice has been done' although they said on a 'human factor it was sad two young people would be spending years in jail'.
xp w/ IK
― max, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
oh for some reason i thought Guede had done one
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
maybe cos him and the other two all having done it makes no sense
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
wait I thought this person helped killed someone
― conrad, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
That Mail article is still live http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2044583/Amanda-Knox-verdict-GUILTY-appeal-murder-conviction-rejected.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
why did the forensics not get done properly first time? talk on the BBC just now of masks not being worn and evidence not being bagged, tagged the usual way? any uh.. forensic experts on ile (wouldn't surprise me!).
― piscesx, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think there is a Rolling Stone article above that discusses all the issues with the crime scene.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
A reality show where she shares an apartment with Casey Anthony and they have wacky adventures together?
― DaTruf (Nicole), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
there were two charges, apparently; she got the murder charge overturned but lost the defamation charge where she accused Patrick Lumumba of being the murderer
ha ha, it's like a simpsons thing though; i hereby pronounce you GUILTY!
- of slander & thereby must pay $15 in damages. of murder?, oh, sure, innocent.
― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
i kinda doubt amanda knox wants to be famous
― max, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
well she shouldn't've not committed a crime then
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
damn dude
― the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
The Rolling Stone made it seem kind of ludicrous that she was tried at all, so much so that I recoiled a bit because it seemed almost like a release by the PR machine they talk about. But then you hear about the speeches comparing her to Goebbels or bloody Jessica Rabbit and it's just like nobody's trying to find an impartial truth here.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 3 October 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
xp
was digging at the media and its speculators, not Knox who i'd guess wants to disappear, like max said
― Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
'human factor it was sad two young people would be spending years in jail'.
ha did not read that. lol mail?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
I'd be interested to know what the Italian media response is to this. I've largely ignored the whole thing, but I get the impression the UK media have demonised Know while the American media have held her up as victim of a gross miscarriage of justice. Personally, I have no idea if she's guilty or innocent and whether her being released is a good or bad thing. I'd like to know what a 'neutral' country's perspective is.
― Mister Potato shares Manchester United’s commitment to (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, I suppose Italy aren't exactly neutral as their legal system is kind of on trial here. Someone tell me what the French think.
― Mister Potato shares Manchester United’s commitment to (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
the swiss surely
― conrad, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
*Gallic shrug*
― Number None, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
What I read (possibly in Rolling Stone) was that her lying about Lumamba's involvement (and maybe alibi and other things too?) was for Italians basically conclusive of her guilt. Then there were the highjinks in the police station. Kind of an honour-based way of looking at it. You can see the appeal of that approach when it comes to judging character, but it's still a whole other thing whether they did the murder or not.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
The tension in court as the verdict was delivered exploded into gasps when the presiding judge, Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, began by declaring that the American student's appeal had been rejected, before adding that the rejection only applied to the slander charge.
this is really awful
― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
that claudio! what a prankster
― max, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
you're being REJECTED ... from italy!!!
i find you GUILTY ... of being in prison too long!!!!!
― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
I sentence you to death... by chocolate!
― Mister Potato shares Manchester United’s commitment to (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
it was like this Blue Jam sketch where the guy gets his HIV test over the phone but i'm sure no-one remembers that.
― piscesx, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_HD2MMNv_c
― Mister Potato shares Manchester United’s commitment to (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol - "This. Is. AMERICAN IDOL!"
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm sorry ..... but you're going to have to GET RELEASED FROM PRISON!!!!"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 08:39 (twelve years ago) link
i assume it takes a certain kinda culture to swallow the "she's obv a ho so she must have done it" line
"He (Berlusconi) is the longest-serving post war Prime Minister of Italy, and third longest-serving since the creation of Italy, after Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Giolitti."
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 09:15 (twelve years ago) link
idk whether it was a specifically Italian thing. I get the impression that her alleged promiscuity was only one element of a more complex picture that was built up around her. She wasn't painted as immoral, she was painted as a psychopath. There was a huge amount of pop-psych commentary that fitted her behaviour in the police station and in court into a template of the 'textbook psycho' - cold, manipulative and incapable of feeling.
There are so many problems with clinical diagnosis of psychopathy, trying to do it via new bulletins is always going to be tricky.
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 09:22 (twelve years ago) link
*news bulletins*
― Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 09:23 (twelve years ago) link
Well there's still a guy doing 16 years for the murder
This is the thing I don't really get. If Knox and Sollecito are innocent, why could it not just be that one guy already sent down for it? Are they saying there might be another accomplice still walking round?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 09:27 (twelve years ago) link