― fritz, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But the OUTCOME, by the 60s, was a vast INCREASE in democratic activity in the US (inc.the mainstreaming of Civil Rights positions) and a global outburst of dissent w/o parallel in 20th century history. Pilger is a TERRIBLE political analyst: kinda Chomsky w/o the smart stuff.
His basic assumption — which Chomsky can also tumble into, and which all lizard-ppl theorists absolutely believe — is that the GLOBAL RULING CLASS operates as an utterly smooth, conflict-free, motivationally unified, communicationally self-transparent cadre. Even as a rallying cry, this is totally counter-productive.
― mark s, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The biggest problem with conspiracy theory as broadly described is that it assumes a *massive* amount of people/interests/things keeping one hell of a secret. Whereas what happened on September 11 makes much more sense -- a very small, focused group keeping a secret.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
This is such an important point - and it is supported by the way effective revolutionary conspiracies actually work: for just the reasons Ned mentions, the larger organization is split into tiny cells of a few people, with no-one knowing very much about the larger framework of the organization and its goals. Therefore, only a few people ever have to keep the "one hell of a secret" - or even know more than a few component parts of the big secret.
The other problem I find with this kind of stuff is this: if it's all such a big secret, why am I able to go to k-zillion sources to read about it? and why hasn't the ruthless all-powerful machine silenced the revelations of the conspiracy?
Regarding the Federal Reserve: It appears pretty widely known that The Federal Reserve uses the word "Federal" in the title, but it is actually not federal, but privately owned. One person defending the Federal Reserve said this: "Yes, the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, but they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed."
― Nude Spock, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Or to put it even MORE bluntly, no it wasn't.
― Mike Hanle y, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
= my favourite helpful interpolation
And, I do remember CNN reporting that eyewitnesses saw explosions on each of the floors. It is odd that the planes weren't shot down and several sources have said we were "aware" of the threat. I have trouble believing that the FBI is as clutzy as we were led to believe.
I did also see all the info about the "pancaking effect", but isn't it true that the black boxes and the Twin Towers were built to withstand significanly more heat than spaceships encounter... like hundreds of times more heat? I also heard that on CNN. It's weird that people just come to conclusions like, "Well, I guess you just don't know... those boxes are gone for good... Pancake effect explains why the thing fell". It really doesn't explain, because they were built to withstand plane crashes. One floor should not have pancaked onto the next. The increased weight is why the pancake effect occured. And it does seem weird that the FBI has been able to round up terrorists left and right since the attacks, but couldn't do a damn thing about the warnings prior to 911.
But, as I said, it's a freaky conspiracy theory. I remember Ned posted one long ago that made the USA look suspicious and that freaked me out, too. Ned, do you still have that link?
― ethan, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
There isn't much I genuinely believe, mark. Many people have thought this was shady from day one, but most people are content to rally around a common enemy. I was saying our gov't deserves to be attacked just before 911 happened, so I'm obviously not big on our foreign policy.
US and Israel in cahoots before 9-11 US and Israel at odds before 9-11
they combine to cancel out the total force, not double it (as original poster seems to think cf his openly contradictory multi- analysis of vietnam); snce you haven't bothered addressing this catastrophic logical flaw upfront (ie by explaining which of the two you favour and why), your extrapolation is suspect (ie i'm left thinking, why d'you select some facts/ "facts"/whatever, and ignore others)
i'm not going to do your work for you nude; either you want to persuade me or you don't
otherwise it's just going "ooh spooky"
(also — not a big deal in itself, but confusing — you seem to mean by "coincidental" the opposite of what i thought it meant: if all these facts are "coincidental" does that mean you *don't* think they add up to a grand theory, or that you *do*?)
Some New York Times links for you then, regarding the World decision that zionism was racism and the Israel walkout: NYTimes Query List. Unfortunately, you have to pay to read these articles, but the titles alone convey the point. You could always go to the public library and look it up on microfiche.
By the way, pulling up a NYT article on the Durban conference which everybody already knows about doesn't do anything to legitimize anything else in the article. But the fact that I have to point this out to you goes along way to explaining why arguing with you is pointless.
If you think I'm going to sit here and try to present evidence that there is a jewish conspiracy, I'm afraid you're in for a long wait, my friend. I am able to differentiate between interesting facts and uninteresting conjecture.
This is an absolutely true fact, isn't it? As I said, the intro and the endtro of the conspiracy are mostly factual and the outcome of 911 looks oddly beneficial to the US in freaky ways that make me go... "OOOOH SPOOOKY!"
Wait for what, moron? You already did present "evidence that there is a jewish(sic) conspiracy" when you posted the e-mail as "must-read", "pretty realistic", having "true insights", etc. The whole point of that article is to imply that there was a Jewish conspiracy behind the bombing of the WTC. You can back-pedal now, but you laid a big stinking turd of hate-filled propaganda on the board as if it was the best thing since sliced bread and then lashed out at anyone who challenged you on it.
The "true insights" are the facts prior and after 911, "pretty realistic" refers to the Twin Towers destruction seeming UNREALISTIC the way it went down. It seems "pretty realistic" that there was more to it than what has now become common belief.
However, "pretty realistic" does not mean "entirely realistic" and I could easily believe that CNN has pretty much told the whole truth, as well.
I mean, christ, the equiv. would be for a vietnamese person to say -- "hey, you're white, that whole war and destruction of our country was your fault."
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Those are the only two points I even contested because they are part of what I thought was interesting and factual. I have no problem with the comment that JFK wasn't assassinated in the name of Israel or that this conspiracy "feels" antisemetic.
Fact is, jackass, there hasn't been any further challenges EXCEPT these two facts, which are facts.
It's a lot easier to toss out red herrings than to explain why you felt it was so important that everyone read an article that argues, among other things, that the Mossad-controlled Kennedy-killing CIA bombed the WTC in order to hasten the arrival of the One World Government. Or why you've twice supplied ILM with anti-Semetic screeds and told us all that they were fascinating must-read material.
So if my next album, a dismal and gloomy opus, sells a million copies because the world has post-WTC blues, I become the new number one terror suspect? Makes sense...
― Momus, Friday, 1 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It works for Enron, but I'm not so sure it work for someone staffed in the mail department at Enron who made an Enron blues album.
okay, first thing you wanna do when setting up your website is....
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link
yes, but he doesn't explain why it's 'laughable'. I SMELL COVERUP.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― foxy boxer (stevie), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
WHO KNEW
― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Don King of the Mountain (noodle vague), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Saturday, 24 September 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.thewe.cc/thewe_/images_5/_/9_11/all_question_9_11.jpe
― and what, Friday, 10 October 2008 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link
J. Culp, D. Lynch, N. Spock
― s1ocki, Friday, 10 October 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link
wow so vidal sassoon thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy huh
― J.D., Friday, 10 October 2008 04:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Even Coyotes are laughing at the idea 9/11 was done by Al-Qaeda.
Who the heck is G. Belafonte?
― Tuomas, Friday, 10 October 2008 07:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Mimi?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/TEOM_cover.jpg/200px-TEOM_cover.jpg
― StanM, Friday, 10 October 2008 07:26 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/leeds/content/images/2006/07/03/brolin_lead_203x152.jpg
"It was publicised on the news in Saudi Arabia that thousands of Jews did not go to work in the Twin Towers that morning of 9-11. How did they know not to go? Who told them? Was it the Mossad? Did they know because they were behind the attacks?"
― The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Friday, 10 October 2008 08:51 (fifteen years ago) link
the hard questions
― velko, Friday, 10 October 2008 09:07 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/lixnixn/luke_skywalker.jpg
"It was publicised on the news in Coruscant that thousands of Tatooinians did not go to work in the Death Star that morning of 9-11. How did they know not to go? Who told them? Was it the Rebellion? Did they know because they were behind the attacks?"
― Tuomas, Friday, 10 October 2008 09:19 (fifteen years ago) link
That would be Gary Belafonte. He's renowned, but in smaller circles.
― crusty but benign (kenan), Friday, 10 October 2008 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
hahahahaha oh man the beginning of this thread
― Like sicking a little bit of water into my mouth (HI DERE), Friday, 10 October 2008 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Heh, just seeing the post title again, I can't believe I wrote "must read!" It sounds like spam!
― crusty but benign (kenan), Friday, 10 October 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link