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Hey, Mordy, speaking of house pets, can you explain to me the tendency toward a dislike of dogs? A few years back, a friend & I were trying to get an apartment in a heavily u-O neighborhood and since I was referred by a religious person all the families were very supportive, until they heard that my roommate-to-be had a small dog, at which point all of them hastily backed out of the phone calls and practically hung up on me.

I asked my reference and she kind of glossed over it, so I know she doesn't hold with that idea, but obv enough people do that it's a thing?

Octavia Butler's gonna be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised (Laurel), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:26 (fourteen years ago)

It's generally a very religious thing (like more modern orthodox families will own dogs). I've heard a number of reasons for it.
1. The Talmud has serious problems with dogs. There are a number of mitzvot and things (like prayer) that you're not allowed to perform if a dog is in the room bc they're considered dirty.
2. I think dogs are historically considered as security/attack animals and there isn't really a tradition of owning them as pets which also leads to...
3. There's a kind of communal memory of dogs being used to attack Jews "in the old country" or during the Shoah. I've heard this third answer a bunch.

Two more dog things I can think of that may or may not shed light on the question:

A. During the Exodus narrative the Torah says that there was a miracle and while the Jews were leaving Egypt none of the dogs barked.
B. When talking about unkosher food the Talmud says that treifas (unkosher meat) should be fed to the dogs. (There's actually a Jewish joke based on this premise.)

So I don't know for sure, but this is what I've got.

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)

a lot of religious muslims dislike dogs--iirc muhammad is said to have hated dogs, and i think mostly theyre thought to be unclean--so i wonder if theres a general semitic thing about them

max, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 14:44 (fourteen years ago)

tonight we're gonna party like it's 5999

ice cr?mde (symsymsym), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:11 (fourteen years ago)

(is what I say to my family every rosh hashanah)

ice cr?mde (symsymsym), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_M5-qthA8w

ice cr?mde (symsymsym), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:16 (fourteen years ago)

Watching that is making me so embarrassed for those people that my skin is burning and prickling like pins.

Octavia Butler's gonna be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised (Laurel), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:20 (fourteen years ago)

I'm sort of thinking about going a checking out a synagogue or something tonight/tomorrow, just because. It would be my first time in 10 years+

uhhhhhh (admrl), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 19:49 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZLq_JB8H44

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 29 September 2011 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

^^^highlight of the holiday thus far!

Happy 5772, Jews!

quincie, Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:56 (fourteen years ago)

EDB I am intrigued!

Essentially I moved overseas to start grad school in London.

Tonight I did have something that resembled a festive meal, and even marked the start of a new year. It was totally secular though.

Hills Like White Broncos (EDB), Thursday, 29 September 2011 22:21 (fourteen years ago)

Was just reading about the origin of the Jewish epoch, that is, the starting point - year zero, creation or whatever - of the 5772. I guess in the middle ages a bunch of rabbis simply added up the collective ages of each generational patriarch or whatever in a book of the Torah until they got back to Adam, or some such totally sound scientific method. The common rabbinical line is that years back then were longer than we know them now, which is convenient.

I did get looking at the origins of various other epochs. The Chinese calendar goes back 4700 years or something, and was started more or less arbitrarily by some emperor or something. The Muslim calendar only goes back 1400 years or so, obviously well after the advent of Islam but I believe linked to a famous speech by Muhammed or something like that. But then I got to thinking: why does the Christian calendar start with the birth of Jesus, when obviously time extends back beyond his birth?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 September 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)

It … doesn't?

Woolen Scjarfs (Phil D.), Thursday, 29 September 2011 22:45 (fourteen years ago)

But even religious Christians don't believe the world began with Jesus.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 September 2011 22:50 (fourteen years ago)

muslim calendar starts with the hejira, which is joni mitchells last great album. marking the calendar by the hejira represents muslims belief that joni will return and drop something even more bitching than court & spark.

max, Thursday, 29 September 2011 23:10 (fourteen years ago)

I mean, there's that whole BC/AD thing for a reason. It acknowledges explicitly that time existed before Jesus.

Woolen Scjarfs (Phil D.), Thursday, 29 September 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)

I guess in the middle ages a bunch of rabbis simply added up the collective ages of each generational patriarch or whatever in a book of the Torah until they got back to Adam, or some such totally sound scientific method.

this is ref'd on the "a ho hoy liveblogs the Bible" thread and is also the reason creationists insist the earth is 6000 years old btw

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 September 2011 23:15 (fourteen years ago)

otm

xxp about joni + muslims

horseshoe, Thursday, 29 September 2011 23:17 (fourteen years ago)

i made some fried chicken for tonights rosh hashana potluck

max, Thursday, 29 September 2011 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

The usage of BC apparently does not show up until somewhere between 1400 and 1600 or so.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 September 2011 23:32 (fourteen years ago)

My Hebrew School teachers used to say: BCE, Before the Common Era

have an easy fast folks

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:34 (fourteen years ago)

All mankind will pass before You like a flock of sheep. Like a shepherd pasturing his flock, making sheep pass under his staff, so shall You cause to pass, count, calculate, and consider the soul of all the living; and You shall apportion the destinies of all Your creatures and inscribe their verdict.

On Rosh Hashanah will be inscribed and on Yom Kippur will be sealed how many will pass from the earth and how many will be created; who will live and who will die; who will die at his predestined time and who before his time; who by water and who by fire, who by sword, who by beast, who by famine, who by thirst, who by upheaval, who by plague, who by strangling, and who by stoning. Who will rest and who will wander, who will live in harmony and who will be harried, who will enjoy tranquility and who will suffer, who will be impoverished and who will be enriched, who will be degraded and who will be exalted. But Repentance, Prayer, and Charity avert the severe Decree!

Mordy, Friday, 7 October 2011 18:57 (fourteen years ago)

easy fast, all!

quincie, Friday, 7 October 2011 19:50 (fourteen years ago)

I've long been curious/suspicious of wishing people an "easy fast." Isn't it not supposed to be easy? Isn't that besides the point, insofar as it being easy is contra the notion of/reason for fasting in the first place, as if atonement could ever come from things being easy? (which I've always understood to be a form of ascesis that promotes self reflection) I think wishing people a meaningful fast makes much more sense.

Hills Like White Broncos (EDB), Saturday, 8 October 2011 07:54 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

NY Times

But the protests have also, on occasion, had a distinctly Jewish flavor: The encampment has coincided with the busy Jewish holiday season and has witnessed, in its midst or on its edges, a crowded Kol Nidre service on Yom Kippur, festive dancing with a scroll on Simchat Torah on Thursday night, and the sukkah.

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:16 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, I wrote about Yom Kippur + Sukkot at Occupy Philly for the Jewish Exponent - it has really pissed off rabid rightwingers who are committed to proving that the protests are actually anti-Semitic. puts a crimp in your style when your anti-semitic protests include traditional Jewish rituals + services.

Mordy, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:19 (fourteen years ago)

why do some people think that the protests are anti-semitic?

The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:47 (fourteen years ago)

Capitalism is a Jewish stronghold, whilst banking throughout the world and throughout history has always had a high Jewish involvement.

The world of high finance is a Jewish world. War and revolution is interwoven with International Jewish Finance. These purveyors of disturbance have no political affiliations. National loyalty (if it exists for them ) is subordinated to the business of international finance.

Some of the main Jewish Banking Houses are :

Rothschilds

August Belmont & Co.

J. & W. Seligman & Co.

Kuhn Loeb & Co. (Warburg)

Lehman Brothers

Goldman, Sachs & Co.

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)

The neon-cons and others saw a few signs and decided to pounce on the issue in an effort to discredit the movement.

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:55 (fourteen years ago)

^ this pretty much

Mordy, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:55 (fourteen years ago)

bright fellows those neon-cons

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 24 October 2011 14:56 (fourteen years ago)

neo-cons and bloggers including rightwing W. Post columnist Rubin, plus they got Rush and others to sign up on this meme

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)

I'm trying to work out whether Conrad is outlining the opinions of anti-semites or BEING ONE HIMSELF.

But yeah, since the financial crisis started I have been wondering whether there was any prospect of rumblings against fat cat bankers turning into crypto racist rumblings against rootless cosmopolitans.

The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 24 October 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)

I'll never tell

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

copied and pasted from the internet

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

plenty on the internet too about money changers

curmudgeon, Monday, 24 October 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)

I am sometimes amazed that there is still anti-semitism in the first world... not out of a feeling that people have become more sensible, more that it now seems so old fashioned, when there are so many other minority groups for racist nutters to obsess about.

The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 24 October 2011 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

ime there's some truth in that (in the uk at least) except amongst the 'anti-zionist' crowd of course who are generally a terrible bunch of cunts

Once Were Moderators (DG), Monday, 24 October 2011 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://joshreads.com/images/11/11/i111117dt.gif

Mordy, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)

three months pass...

happy purim!

Mordy, Friday, 9 March 2012 02:51 (fourteen years ago)

I wore my hamantaschen earrings today.

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 9 March 2012 04:25 (fourteen years ago)

i dressed my daughter as a ladybug!

Mordy, Friday, 9 March 2012 04:28 (fourteen years ago)

Cute!

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 9 March 2012 04:33 (fourteen years ago)

some serious costume action on my street today. hasidic kids are so awesome. adorbs.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:00 (fourteen years ago)

there was like a bunch of 13-something boys on a stoop wearing cowboy hats and smoking cigars and talking traaaaash

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:00 (fourteen years ago)

guy in my (like 60% Jewish) office brought in some meh hamentashen today. Non-Jewish secretary got really excited about them and I felt like sort of a douche for telling her that they weren't that good and that there are much better hamentashen out there. They were the kind made out of that really mealy fake cookie shit!

simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 March 2012 06:44 (fourteen years ago)

I mean you know, it's not actually fake cookie, it's just very mealy and dry cookie

simulation and similac (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 March 2012 06:44 (fourteen years ago)

Just looked at the newspaper's photo gallery of the kids in costume in the local Hasidic village.

I think there's an Easter Bunny.

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 9 March 2012 13:15 (fourteen years ago)

My Giant grocery store was sold out of hamentashen. Ended up getting some from Trader Joe's. Not as good as my Mom's home-made ones

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 March 2012 13:56 (fourteen years ago)

my wife makes the best hamentashen but i'm trying to be less of a stuff-my-mouth with unhealthy food slob these days so i only ate two over the entire chag. :( generally i'd eat 30-40 of them...

Mordy, Friday, 9 March 2012 13:57 (fourteen years ago)


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