Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Villa are a big club: possibly they should always be top 6 Or Thereabouts.

I don't think they deserve Champions' League, though.

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Deserve? Are you trying to invoke the ire of Dave B, O roonfox?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't -- but now you mention it - bring it on!

I am the thief of ire.

― the irefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?!

If they deserve to finish top six then they need to generate more points in the season than the team that finishes seventh. That's all it is.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Well we had some convincing wins in 98/99, and weren't so awful to watch all the time either. Scored way more goals if I remember correctly.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?!

If anyone even attempts to do this I will come and slap them.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:48 (twenty-two years ago)

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?

Mikey, are you angling for a revival of the thread that dare not speak its name?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yep, 68 goals in 98/99, just what, 45 or something this season?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we talk about what makes a big club a big club again? Can we? Can we?

I think LUFC would make fine members of that stupid club. I wish the LUFC-EFC game this evening were to be televised. I wonder if 5 Live will give it proper coverage, or whether they'll focus on MUFC-LCFC tedium.

Fascinating fact for this evening: Eddie Gray's Leeds have an extremely good record when playing teams managed by Scots.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not a regular Nick so not sure what you are referring to. I would say 'no' however, just to be safe.

I think someone should come up with an equation. Where n = the number of fit birds per stadia and f = quality of the pies.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes (not always), when I hear the phrase "x is a big club", I think of "Brutus is an honourable man".

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but Ronan you finished 7th in the league in 98-99. Below West Ham and Villa. If that happened nowadays people would be calling for Houllier to be hung drawn and quartered in front of a baying Kop.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

When I hear the phrase "Spurs are a big club" I say "all hail to ye Macbeth, that shalt be Thane of Cawdor"

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

STOP IT!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

When I hear the phrase "a cultured player" I reach for my revolver.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the revolver-owning revelation?!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It is that JtN owns a revolver!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anyone see the third eye on Soccer AM where the guy was trying to return the ball to the opposition after being kicked out for an injury? Twice he blasted it in the guy's face.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and the bloke never flinched!!

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Twice!

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

What is a third eye?

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it like a wild front ear?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It belongs to Saturday morning. After they've got the colonel out.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

and just before everyone climbs aboard the showboat

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

About half hour before the dancing old man.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

who gives me the creeps every time, but after he's left I know that life can carry on (backed by Jeff Stelling)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but Matt 98-99 was the year of the joint manager business, Houllier had only been put in on his own halfway through, so really a change had already been made that year.

Also if you look at the league table, there's no guarantee of Liverpool getting into Europe AT ALL this year, I sincerely hope they do and think they should nick the Champions League spot but the teams are all very close, and the reality is that every time I have thought Liverpool are back on track this year they've messed up all over again.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does David Moyes have a TRAININGGROUNDBUSTUP with every striker on his books?

And why is he not subsequently viewed as dubious at... "man-management"?

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ever noticed how they seem to play better once Moyes has singed their locks? Not in the case of Jeffers, of course, who probably won't kick a ball for us again. DM is just sorting the wheat from the chaff - and his decision to partner McFadden and Radzinski was entirely vindicated.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Would the PF play better if Moyes locked up his Synge?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ouch

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's you and not the Elland boys will be having the fine times, I'm thinking, and the sweet toffee wheat springing from the sour chaff on the dry Pennines, Michael mavourneen.

― the finefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa's rightful place, now and forever, is 8th.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd love it if Villa nicked that 4th spot

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you implying they can't gain it through above-board means?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd love it too, but 'they flatter to deceive'. I enjoyed The Nun's comments last night - 'they're a small squad of players and they're doing the best they can'. He's always there first with a pre-emptive excuse.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

in retrospect i am glad i didnt try and force through a shola ameoba = cultured player joke

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Leeds United 1-1 Everton

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

After a bright opening, we were pulped for 70 minutes after another classic characters-from-Dad's Army performance from Gravesen - from "I'm in charge here" to galloping incompetence and eventual withdrawal. He was replaced by Ted Lowe - equally ineffective but at least quiet about it.

I was genuinely miffed by Blackburn's win last night - I went to bed thinking the 2-1 halftime score was the fulltime score and watched in horror as the goals flew in. Souness must go down.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The idea that Villa could be Champeens league contenders having spent most of the season involved in chat about whether they'd be sucked into a relegation battle says a lot about the Premiership this season.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but that "chat" was evidently being conducted by idiots. Villa are neither Champs League nor relegation candidates and haven't been all season.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

No, but they were many people's favoured candidates for this year's club who get sucked into a battle at the death and go down. Mine included. But then Villa bore me terribly.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still holding out for that to be Man City. Although they're royally fucked if they do, with a payroll like that and no stadium to their name.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

No, not City. Blackburn, if it has to happen.

I have given my view on Villa already.

Glad that Everton held out.

― the beebfox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Where is PF's view on Villa already?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa are a big club: possibly they should always be top 6 Or Thereabouts.
I don't think they deserve Champions' League, though.

-- the roonfox (pinefo...), April 13th, 2004.

― the bellefox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh sorry, I thought it was some big extended philosophical thing. I read that yesterday. You're right though. Except there are loads of clubs as Big as Villa, such as Everton. Am I forever stuck in 1978?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Everton are bigger.

(I am sorry to disappoint - I have not yet formulated my big extended philosophical thing on Aston Villa.)

I am stuck too, though not, oddly, in 1978. I suppose if I were, we could keep each other company.

― the bluefox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

PF in stuck in 1989 shockah!

― Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(Mooro - I don't want to clog this thread with such talk - but that mail of yours doesn't work... does it?

I have mailed you elsewhere so hope that works.)

― the beebfox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

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