People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

two words: solar-powered hedge trimmer

i make the interns use steel clippers to learn abt the value of 'sweat equity'

when u think about it... arent we all "solar-powered"?

not vampires

i think there has to be a move away from big castle in the country vampires and towards the more communal urban living of say the lost boys vampires

i think that the recent herzog doc underworld: rise of the lycans makes that exact case, also that the current vampire lifestyle relies on an unethical and unsustainable demand for cheap werewolf labor and subsidized blood

i live in america, and generally there's more crime in cities. obv density doesn't cause crime, though

With the exception of a handful of cities (like whichever one is the current "murder capital"), this is patently untrue for serious crimes!

huge cities of millions of people are also recent 'inventions'! is it really unfathomable that some people (mr aerosmith being one, myself another) have very negative responses towards some aspects of modern city life yet also don't want to live in Bumblefuck? going 'no no really guys, you don't truly ~want~ lawns and dogs, come back to the city and de-isolate, it'll be super' just isn't going to work.

what you ~want~ doesn't matter in the long-term, or rather, is always going to have to be put in perspective of 'what we can afford'. 'afford 'both in the personal financial sense and 'afford' in the greater, 'what kind of lifestyle is going to sustainable for coming generations'. the goal should be for those 'afford's to overlap. can you afford $13 a gallon for gas?

(http://catalystmagazine.com/component/content/article/45/1128-pay-at-the-pump-uncovering-the-true-cost-of-gasoline)

will stay in suburbs just so i don't have to be around people like max tbh

can you afford $13 a gallon for gas?

actually yes. but nowhere am i saying that suburbs as they are now are sustainable.

so have all car-based suburbs either convert to public trans-based ones or die; get rid of those zoning laws too, and?

and what, that sounds good to me

and solar-powered lawnmowers

granny dainger what are the pros of having a lawn

― Whiney G. Blutfarten (dayo), Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:37 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

having a need for a solar powered lawnmower, obv

ok then!
max are you not realizing that my 3 pt plan was tongue-in-cheek and meant to be funny or??

keeping max at a lawn-sized distance

xp

wait does that mean the whole thing about your sister living in a suburban train station was also a joke

jokes are funny, I get jokes. so glad to know that you're actually against suburbs, granny, and that this whole thing was a wind-up!

its really hard to tell the difference between your "tongue-in-cheek" posts and your "real" posts on this thread b/c theyre all similarly defensive and point-missing

hey why don't you tell me why millions and millions of people like having lawns, it's just SO mystifying!

god why would i be defensive against a raging smuck fuck like yourself?

thats what im trying to figure out!

who likes to "make people angry"?? mystifying!

so much sarcasm!!! cant really figure out whats going on!!!!????

what happened? I am confused.

I'm trying to follow it myself...I think max refuses to mow granny's lawn, but granny is rich and can afford $13/g gas

i am against car-dependent suburbs. i am also against urbanites who are callous towards people who don't want to live in urban areas and who would never have to make the sacrifice of living somewhere they don't want to because it just so happens they love cities.

I find it a very compelling argument that because granny dainger can afford to pay $13 a gallon for gas, that the America government should continue its policies subsidizing and encouraging the development of suburbs, why, because granny dainger can afford to pay $13 a gallon for gas

i'm not rich. my commute is 5 miles, and i can take the train to go places. suburbs are crazy huh.

dont worry, u will change ur tune at the re-education camps in the united states of new hampshire

granny all I'm trying to get you to say is "a. yeah this is probably unsustainable and b. american public policy should bet set in a manner that disincentivizes unsustainable lifestyles." I don't care if you like or don't like suburbs, or if you like or dislike lawns. the point is...that's not the point.

the America government should continue its policies subsidizing and encouraging the development of suburbs

let me hold your hand lil boy and walk you through this. wait ok here, lemme post this for the 3rd time and maybe it'll sink in:

so have all car-based suburbs either convert to public trans-based ones or die; get rid of those zoning laws too, and?

i dont care what happens to granny as long as i can keep my castle and gardens

yeah this is probably unsustainable and b. american public policy should bet set in a manner that disincentivizes unsustainable lifestyles.

but max and dayo feel free to continue to think i'm against to continue their awesome zingathon

awesome, I'm glad that's settled. let's go play golf

ok i can ~walk~ across the street and meet you at the course

that's actually my lawn

stop holding iatees hand

everyone should be embarrassed by what is going on itt

j0rdan isn't allowed on my lawn

i dont think theres anything embarrassing about having the exact same argument with granny dainger for the fortieth time in the same thread

iatee can i get you to say there may--MAY--be a way to have mid-density areas that are sustainable?

absolutely

ps my idea of mid-density is san francisco

well if i'm going to have to live in a city, it is going to have to have beautiful scenery and weed-delivery services

but if you want me to respond to whatever you're imagining, you'd have to give some measure and context. sustainable depends on overall consumption - dude living in the middle of the forest can live an emissions free lifestyle in a not-particularly-dense world. and it's not that people in hyper-dense manhattan live anywhere close to sustainable lifestyles atm (lol, rich people), but they'd have to give up less on the path to sustainability. so yes, people at any level of density can, in theory, pay off their externalities on the world. and if you're willing and able to pay 13/g for gas, well, that's a good start.

13/g gas would effect more than suburb dwellers, don't know if that's something you really wanna be shooting for

it's not a matter of 'shooting for' but rather determining what the cost actually is, how it is paid, and who pays for it

the thing is, though, that 13/g gas is not something we can choose to want or not, it's pretty much inevitable if not within the next 10 years then certainly within the next 20. unless we start magically finding vast new sources of oil or maybe God can create a bunch of dinosaurs and kill them and convert their carcasses into hydrocarbons within the next 5 years

stop being so callous