Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

aguero is actually the real life version of what some people on here seem to think rooney is

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forgot about Tevez

I'd include Nani and Suarez as well

Torres is shit now?

League goals/assists/appearances EPL last 7 seasons
13/16/38
16/8/35
11/10/37
10/8/24
12/10/37
22/17/36
10/4/24

nani might get there, suarez not yet, torres in that twilight area with drogba and, tbf, rooney, peak gerrard, maybe modric, few others

tevez has long made me uneasy tbh, tevez is the admission of 'world class' that i must long o'erleap before i even want rooney mentioned in any such bracket

Everyone seems to forget now that Drogba had whole seasons where he just couldn't be bothered and played well below par.

'peak' comes into it, i think, and then you have to consider how long 'peak' was- rooney 'peaks' for a year then goes to shit. Torres at peak is unquestionable, rooney at peak is effective, powerful and i'd consider him

Drogba's scoring record for Chelsea

2010/11 11
2009/10 29
2008/09 5
2007/08 8
2006/07 20
2005/06 12
2004/05 10

Rooney's, what, 26? He might be just hitting peak now.

a year *at best*, so far in his career.

Drogba struggles for sustained form matt, yes- but like rvp, when he's fit and playing he's so obviously on a higher level than rooney that it bewilders me to see them compared ability-wise

Rooney's got 8 more league goals than Lampard over the last 7 seasons. Lampard plays midfield.

irrelevant

But, as Matt says, Rooney may now be hitting his peak years.

The positional/tactical difference between Lampard and Rooney is not as extreme as 'plays midfield' vs. 'plays forward' would imply, though.

Why is his position irrelevant?

Positioned right outside the burger van amirite?

Because goals are only one aspect of his game. Also, at a conservative estimate i'd say 75% of FF's goals were deflections

a forward's sole duty isn't to score goals any more than a midfielder's sole duty is to give the ball to the forward

if rooney plays two seasons uninterrupted in his current form then i'm wrong and he's world class. Will freely admit it.

That's my original question/point, kinda- what's rooney's true level, why the huge disparity, why such frequent swoops around it, yadda yadda. With rvp it's injury, with drogba it's motivation, with rooney it's both with added 'wow he's got an awful touch'

Rooney's got 8 more league goals than Lampard over the last 7 seasons

Rooney is 25 years old.

In the 7 seasons prior to turning 25 Lampard scored 35 league goals, Rooney scored over 100.

tbf to Lampard though, he's second all-time in the the assists chart. Really has been incredibly effective over the years

Also up until last season Lampard was seemingly never injured. He's played an incredible number of games per season.

Lampard's prob got as many assists as Rooney as well. So that's another aspect of his game. I guess I just rate Lampard a lot higher than most folks around here.
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Lampard, like Rooney, over the last 7 seasons has been playing for a dominant team. In the years up to his 25th birthday he mostly wasn't.

rooney, even on-form, is as likely to lose control of a bouncing ball as any forward in the epl. Then there are times his touch is fantastic. I think the whole puzzle might centre around that, tbh (in my head)

I rate Lampard very highly, but he didn't start racking up such consistent numbers of goals/assists until he was the age Rooney has only just reached.

The touch thing is weird alright

lampard prob world-class and prob should have made my list. Terry, eh, i struggle to justify not including him but it's my list so fuckim.

rooney, even on-form, is as likely to lose control of a bouncing ball as any forward in the epl.

I agree, but I also think he's more likely than most forwards in the EPL to lash said bouncing ball into the corner of the net.

agreed

Anyway, i think i've said my piece. Let's reconvene here in two years for the definitive verdict.

John Terry is a massive blubbering penalty-shanking glass-jawed racist cunt, though. Don't forget that.

two weeks

lol keep it comin' guys. i'm not busy.

i'm BUSY FFS

how can you all muster the strength to have these infernally tedious arguments again, seriously

Was trying to watch sky sports saturday the last day and by the time merse and phil thompson had said their piece on stoke i was done. Pure ignorance, pubtalk, nothing bluster

― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 11:02 (5 hours ago) Bookmark

hahaha

you're missing the point, merse and pinnocchhhhhhhio were prob enjoyin themselves too

how can you all muster the strength to have these infernally tedious arguments again, seriously

a decade of ilx premier league threads yet still they doubt our stamina

fat frank joke

O'Connorwatch: now charged with insurance fraud over smash in his Ferrari. Not a great couple of days for the big 'un.

anyway, and tbf, if rooney plays two good games in a row then this shite is unavoidable and somebody must pay

Gotta agree with rtc, tho if my "completely shite" comment was to blame then I take a sad sense of satisfaction.

It was meant to turn into a conversation about the merits of Gary Doherty.

http://img.skysports.com/07/08/218x298/FootballNorwichDohertyProfile_555373.jpg

Godspeed Ginger Pele.

prefer Scottish Cafu

is that a turnip-based dish or