Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

He won 45 caps and retired early!

- was playing against dogshit teams like arsenal and bolton

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i think he's often been played in less than optimal position by ferguson, sometimes at less than full fitness. I recognise his level of general effort and 'spirit' ugh, his power, surprising pace, a deft touch when striking a dead ball, an unstoppable shot and a much improved ability to finish from a cross. I'm not a blinkered roo-hater, imo, but i set all of that against what i've said above and i don't get the result that spells out 'top class' tbh.

Let's see your list of "top class" players in the Premier League then

45 caps with the team that failed to win a single game in 92 or qualify for 94.. then being not as good as zidane

must stop trolling and get back to work

current or previous NN

Current

All of that was all Ginola's fault though, if you're looking for a truly shit player.

current top/world class players in the epl, not exhaustive:

English- ferdinand, a cole, j cole
Foreign- Silva, kompany, aguero, van persie, drogba, berbatov, s hunt

I'd prob include gerrard ahead of rooney, tbh, but the past two years prob knock him out of it.

Poor Luka :(

Is there a J Cole I don't know about?

didn't want to include spurs players tbh, matt

NV if you have another j cole that's able to do stuff messi can't, i've not heard

s hunt

At last, some recognition

Seems to me that if you're gonna exclude Gerrard cos of the last 2 years then Cole's had a longer lean spell than that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o9dXLNuXic

Kompany but no Vidic? I'd put Rooney in the same category as Van Persie and Drogba (who is pretty crap at the moment). Also, I know you're a Berbatov stan but including him is ridiculous.

ffs cole is a joke

Yeah, J. Cole's been rubbish for years. Pretty much since the second half of the England v. Sweden game.

Hunt's not a joke tho right?

vidic- yes. Was off the top of my head tbf.

Drogba sustained form that put him among the world's best in his position for a couple years, but i take yr point. Injuries limit rvp so i take that point too, but those aside rvp is a different level of performance to rooney, and his injuries aren't due to kebabs and hookers

oh right i get the J Cole joke now, sorry i don't remember most of the asinine bullshit England players spout in interviews, i only ever read about it on here

Hunt is actually the real life version of what some people on here seem to think Rooney is

inclusion of hunt is pushing it, inclusion of berbatov is frankly unquestionable

Hunt's work rate is better than Rooney's for a start

aguero is actually the real life version of what some people on here seem to think rooney is

\(^o^)/

forgot about Tevez

I'd include Nani and Suarez as well

Torres is shit now?

League goals/assists/appearances EPL last 7 seasons
13/16/38
16/8/35
11/10/37
10/8/24
12/10/37
22/17/36
10/4/24

nani might get there, suarez not yet, torres in that twilight area with drogba and, tbf, rooney, peak gerrard, maybe modric, few others

tevez has long made me uneasy tbh, tevez is the admission of 'world class' that i must long o'erleap before i even want rooney mentioned in any such bracket

Everyone seems to forget now that Drogba had whole seasons where he just couldn't be bothered and played well below par.

'peak' comes into it, i think, and then you have to consider how long 'peak' was- rooney 'peaks' for a year then goes to shit. Torres at peak is unquestionable, rooney at peak is effective, powerful and i'd consider him

Drogba's scoring record for Chelsea

2010/11 11
2009/10 29
2008/09 5
2007/08 8
2006/07 20
2005/06 12
2004/05 10

Rooney's, what, 26? He might be just hitting peak now.

a year *at best*, so far in his career.

Drogba struggles for sustained form matt, yes- but like rvp, when he's fit and playing he's so obviously on a higher level than rooney that it bewilders me to see them compared ability-wise

Rooney's got 8 more league goals than Lampard over the last 7 seasons. Lampard plays midfield.

irrelevant

But, as Matt says, Rooney may now be hitting his peak years.

The positional/tactical difference between Lampard and Rooney is not as extreme as 'plays midfield' vs. 'plays forward' would imply, though.

Why is his position irrelevant?

Positioned right outside the burger van amirite?

Because goals are only one aspect of his game. Also, at a conservative estimate i'd say 75% of FF's goals were deflections

a forward's sole duty isn't to score goals any more than a midfielder's sole duty is to give the ball to the forward

if rooney plays two seasons uninterrupted in his current form then i'm wrong and he's world class. Will freely admit it.

That's my original question/point, kinda- what's rooney's true level, why the huge disparity, why such frequent swoops around it, yadda yadda. With rvp it's injury, with drogba it's motivation, with rooney it's both with added 'wow he's got an awful touch'

Rooney's got 8 more league goals than Lampard over the last 7 seasons

Rooney is 25 years old.

In the 7 seasons prior to turning 25 Lampard scored 35 league goals, Rooney scored over 100.

tbf to Lampard though, he's second all-time in the the assists chart. Really has been incredibly effective over the years

Also up until last season Lampard was seemingly never injured. He's played an incredible number of games per season.

Lampard's prob got as many assists as Rooney as well. So that's another aspect of his game. I guess I just rate Lampard a lot higher than most folks around here.
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