Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

Yr doing it wrong, United fans. Only shit players can be compared to Pele - cf Ginger Pele Gary Doherty.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 12:44 (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and world famous hair plug ins utility player wayne rooney shouldn't be allowed to be treated like this because??? form is temporary, the tobias funke look can be a permenant health risk

btw hope the rooney song is 'whiter shade of pele'

But he's shite, completely shite.

And yet he has more goals this season than the entire Liverpool and Arsenal teams

is rooney the worst player of his talent when he's off-form, or is he the best player of his limited ability when he's on-form?

Either way, true world-class players just don't flatline for seasons at a time like he has done ever since his emergence.

I'm so glad we're back to this ridiculous debate again.

rooney scores in gluts

There's a grannyfucker joke in there somewhere

flatline for seasons at a time like he has done ever since his emergence

This simply isn't true. Last season is the only truly bad one Rooney has had since he's been at Utd. A lot of the time he had to deal with being played out of position too.

That's true but a) so do most strikers, even world class ones like peak-era Drogba have barren patches, b) he's amazing in those gluts, last year is the only entire season he can really be accused of flatlining.

It's a mental problem with Rooney - he's got the latent talent but he's too much of a tosser to pay sufficient attention to his fitness or his game when his mind's not on it.

I also think we've maybe been a bit spoilt in the recent past with players like Ronaldo and Messi who can just carry on operating at a freakishly high level for an entire season year after year. 99.9% of other players can't do it.

truth is rooney only performs when he's around experienced players

xposts to darragh

but matt surely being that 0.01% is what makes you 'pele'

disagree with all of ye tbh but i'm busy

Rooney's so obviously the most gifted English player since at least Gascoigne, it seems hardly worth saying. If some hypothetical swap deal came along where Utd could trade him for Player X, how many feasible Player Xs are there to make that deal even worth thinking about?

berbatov

Rooney's so obviously the most gifted English player since at least Gascoigne, it seems hardly worth saying

You'd think so wouldn't you?

'gifted' Technically? Physically? Mentally? Consistency?

Gah i'm BUSY

Last season is the only truly bad one Rooney has had since he's been at Utd. A lot of the time he had to deal with being played out of position too.

Agreed, and I think a lot of it was to do with a hangover from his injury when he was rushed back too early (against Bayern?) - it took him months to look anything like fit and sharp after that setback.

The idea that Rooney is some clogger with no technical ability who somehow muddles through on effort alone is so infuriating.

Rooney league goals/games - ratio per season since joining Utd

11/29 - 0.38
16/36 - 0.44
14/35 - 0.4
12/27 - 0.44
12/30 - 0.4
26/32 - 0.81
11/28 - 0.39

Looks like amazing consistency with one freakishly good season rather than last year really being a flatline.

is there scope for a book called 'The Rooney Myth' that covers in-depth:

1. Prolonged periods of obvious, actual shitness
2. Prolonged periods of apparent performance that in actual fact reflect thirty tap-ins and a pretty poor level of actual performance.
3: A staggeringly poor level of general fitness described as 'bad luck with injuries'
4: Was great in one half tournament internationally

srsly can we shelve this i'm busy

ps xp just over one in three is not the strike-rate of a world class consistent talent at the best club in an uncompetitive league. Even allowing for tapins.

loads of assists last season too.

considering essentially every injury Rooney has suffered has either been ankle or metatarsal, i don't see how that has anything to do with lack of fitness.

and tbf that goals list could also be read as follows:

11, 16, 14, 12, 12, 26, 11

Whither robbie keane, whither darren bent, whither hasselbaink, whither hamilton fuckin ricard and shaun by-christ bartlett

loss of form = loss of hair, we've been through this already

ps xp just over one in three is not the strike-rate of a world class consistent talent at the best club in an uncompetitive league. Even allowing for tapins.

not bad for a right-back though

xp HE'S FAT

5th all time in the Premier League for assists, but you can prove anything with stats

berbatov was once top scorer in the premier league

it's a good return for a utd attacking midfielder, you'd maybe want more for a winger and you'd want to double it for a 'world class' striker onimo

ffs

giving it to ronaldo on the halfway line, lol 'assist'

the most remarkable thing about wayne rooney is his longevity in a ruthless utd team imo. I'd score ten a season meself sure.

I don't consider him an out-and-out striker tbh but he gets his fair share when put there

(that was only league goals btw, I think he's hit 20+ in 3 or 4 seasons in all comps)

Cantona only broke the 20-goal barrier once in his entire career. Just saying like.

not good enough to play for france.

two main reasons rooney is suddenly looking good again are

- no recent injuries, didn't come back from summer after dispiriting failure with england or just generally looking fat and slovenly
- he is finally playing in exactly the sort of set up that suits him -- nominally withdrawn striker in 4-4-1-1, with hernandez and two fast winger to stretch the defence, he can move from a #10 position to a #9 depending on the phase of play

- It's probably a while until the next prostitute revelation as well so probably reasonably happy at home and undistracted

He won 45 caps and retired early!

- was playing against dogshit teams like arsenal and bolton

xposts

i think he's often been played in less than optimal position by ferguson, sometimes at less than full fitness. I recognise his level of general effort and 'spirit' ugh, his power, surprising pace, a deft touch when striking a dead ball, an unstoppable shot and a much improved ability to finish from a cross. I'm not a blinkered roo-hater, imo, but i set all of that against what i've said above and i don't get the result that spells out 'top class' tbh.

Let's see your list of "top class" players in the Premier League then

45 caps with the team that failed to win a single game in 92 or qualify for 94.. then being not as good as zidane

must stop trolling and get back to work

current or previous NN

Current

All of that was all Ginola's fault though, if you're looking for a truly shit player.

current top/world class players in the epl, not exhaustive:

English- ferdinand, a cole, j cole
Foreign- Silva, kompany, aguero, van persie, drogba, berbatov, s hunt

I'd prob include gerrard ahead of rooney, tbh, but the past two years prob knock him out of it.

Poor Luka :(