People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

you don't need a study tbh it's true by mathematical proof:

1. walking is good for your health
2. people in dense cities walk more

xp haha max beat me

I'll have a look later.

Or maybe I'm just bitter because I live car free in a dense city with public transportation yet I still can't get fit. I even run 30 miles a week.

Didn't you just do a marathon?

ps I had a phone interview today for a job in...the suburbs (Nassau county) hopefully god will give me this job just to fuck w/ me. (I can still take a train + walk to the office because this is greater NYC.

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I don't think you can expect to be skinny just cause you walk a lot. but you can definitely expect not to be if you get no exercise, and it's far easier to get stuck in that lifestyle in a car-centric area.

Didn't you just do a marathon?

Yes, in May. But that was in Wisconsin so the amount of cheese consumed during that 2 day trip totally offset any amount of running I did.

everyone in nyc is skinny

when i was a tourist in nyc, i knew not to ask directions from overweight people, they were clearly not from there and would know nothing

they would probably give you CAR directions

yeah if you want to see fat people in NYC look for a non-taxi driver in queens or the bronx

(non-taxi) driver, rather

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/8/3/i/6/4/6/o/NewYorker.jpg

http://www.digitaljournal.com/photo/On6thAve.jpg

http://ronaldrenwick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fat-guy-on-scooter.jpg

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PHE2261.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4403812547_343961a999_z.jpg

had no idea spending two hours in a car was the real culprit; thought maybe it was the 8 hours ppl spend sitting at a desk, my eyes have been opened!

PP are those people in hardcore bands? i've heard you can be big, in an nyc hardcore band

I think if you commuted in a car to a job where you walked all day you'd be fine!

http://last10pounds.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/nyt-treadmill-desk.gif

is it really difficult to believe that 2 hours in a car + 8 hrs at a desk would be worse than 0 hours in a car + some physical exercise + 8 hrs at a desk? and that that does not in any way suggest that 8 hrs at a desk is good for you?

it is literally those two hours in a car--people from nyc are really skinny because they dont take two hours in a car--this is like a known fact

feel like cities aren't the only dense thing itt

^^ Needs one of these:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6143p0L3kTL.gif

xp

is it really difficult to believe that 2 hours in a car + 8 hrs at a desk would be worse than 0 hours in a car + some physical exercise + 8 hrs at a desk? and that that does not in any way suggest that 8 hrs at a desk is good for you?

― iatee, Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol it's not difficult to believe at all i just thought this was worth noting

desk jobs are shit for peoples' health, as is junk food, smoking, whatever - they have no inherent correlation w/ walkable urbanism.

PP are those people in hardcore bands? i've heard you can be big, in an nyc hardcore band

omg lol

I walk quite a lot and I'm fat. And I'm healthy.

I've got one hand in my pocket,
And the other won't fit b/c I'm too damn fatter than hell.

New York is one of the walkingist cities
http://hr.blr.com/HR-news/HR-Administration/Commuting/10-Cities-Where-the-Most-Employees-Bike-or-Walk-to/

But not one of the skinniest
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/energeticcities.aspx
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2008/top25s/qualitylife/skinniest.html

that is because ppl walk from hot dog cart to hot dog cart

http://www.bestplaces.net/images/in-articles/energetic-cities.jpg

^^^ urban walking

new york city includes lots of car-oriented sprawl - staten island, outer queens/bronx/brooklyn. but more importantly it has lots of poor people and lots of minorities and there are correlations w/r/t income and race. that list = fairly dense rich white people places.

I wouldn't be surprised if south of harlem manhattan would top the list. at the very least, it would be on it.

rich ppl are always skinny

even if they live in the suburbs and take two hour helicopter rides 2 work everyday

note that most of the bay area makes it - just not the east bay - where there are poor people. and black people.

xp

so what exactly is the correlation between skinniness and race/class that you are making here? (Note I'm not saying there isn't one, just as I never said walking wasn't healthier than driving, but I'm curious what connection you're making).

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/07/07/the-connection-between-obesity-and-poverty/

http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/content.aspx?ID=6456

http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/content.aspx?ID=6459

manhattan:

According to the 2010 Census, 48.0% of the population was non-Hispanic White, 12.9% non-Hispanic Black or African American, 0.1% non-Hispanic American Indian and Alaska Native, 11.2% non-Hispanic Asian, 0.3% from some other race (non-Hispanic) and 1.9% of two or more races (non-Hispanic). 25.4% of Manhattan's population was of Hispanic or Latino origin, of any race.

iatee, I'm not asking if there's a correlation between poverty and obesity. I'm asking what conclusion you're drawing from that correlation and how it relates to the context of this thread.

because the first things that spring to mind for me are diet, and lack of leisure time and money to spend exercising. neither of which have anything to do with urban density, walkability, or suburbs.

1. there are correlations between 1. poverty 2. african-americans 3. hispanics and obesity. (and aa/hispanic + poverty, obv)
2. there is a negative correlation between living in a walkable city and obesity
3. the first correlation is strong enough to overwhelm the 2nd when we're looking at 'new york county' - which has sizable populations of both. if you can find the numbers for manhattan's white population alone, I guarantee you they'd be on this list.
4. sf, the 2nd densest place in the country and 2nd skinniest has fewer african-americans and hispanics and more asians. and the county next door - with even fewer minorities - is #1.

this was all just an explanation as to why nyc doesn't make that list while sf does.

puerto rican girls that are just dyin to meet you

Wow, on the 2011 version of that CNN site that wk linked, the suburb my job is in is ranked the #13 best place to live in the US!

the first correlation is strong enough to overwhelm the 2nd

so whatever factors cause that correlation (diet for example) overwhelm the health benefits of dense, walkable urban living.

yes...even people who live in dense, walkable urban areas can't eat shit and not get obese

lol wk is yr m.o. on this thread to find like "the loophole" or something? this is like when you were all, "dense cities are bad because of ports" or whatever

not getting to spend two months of winter in st. bart's overwhelms the benefits of having to take the bus to work

this was all just an explanation as to why nyc doesn't make that list while sf does.

I understand that, but it also illustrates the point I've been trying to make that obesity is a complex problem, and the simple observation that walking to work is healthier than driving is barely worth mentioning in a discussion of how our cities should be built.

oh good god