People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

and the environmental argument has nothing to do w/ this - can't be 'undermined' by a completely different issue

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/walking/HQ01612

All it takes to reap these benefits is a routine of brisk walking. It doesn't get much simpler than that. And you can forget the "no pain, no gain" talk. Research shows that regular, brisk walking can reduce the risk of heart attack by the same amount as more vigorous exercise, such as jogging.

there are a bunch of demographic studies showing a correlation between obesity rates and rates of people who walk/bike/use public transpo

http://www.thesmythgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1276.jpg

Living in a walkable city is pretty much its own health reward, outside of the possibility of frostbite

http://i.imgur.com/i7ZGG.jpg

feel like when you have a society that builds in exercise into its basic conception of how people should live, that's a good thing imo

all bags of chips should have a 6lb lead weight at the bottom

"lead weight may settle during shipment"

iatee otm re: arguments too. there are a lot of arguments to get rid of cars: environmental; health; cultural; political, etc. i prefer the cultural argument b/c people get really mad about it, but no one argument "undermines" another

there are a bunch of demographic studies showing a correlation between obesity rates and rates of people who walk/bike/use public transpo

I'd like to see specific studies as opposed to generic write ups from the mayoclinc. Just because something was determined in a study doesn't mean it was a well designed study that will provide actual evidence.

Jeff there are 12 citations for this part of the wikipedia article, maybe you could go through them and tell us what you think?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking#Health_benefits_of_walking

yeah i was just kidding, theres no correlation, places where people spend 2 hours a day sitting down in their cars tend to actually be much skinnier than places where people get at least 30 minutes of walking in every day

there are a bunch of studies about how driving is actually the healthiest activity there is

physically, mentally... spiritually

or jeff, if you go down to the bottom of that Mayo Clinic summary page you can click the 'references' button and pull up 9 citations, some of which are probably available on pubmed?

you don't need a study tbh it's true by mathematical proof:

1. walking is good for your health
2. people in dense cities walk more

xp haha max beat me

I'll have a look later.

Or maybe I'm just bitter because I live car free in a dense city with public transportation yet I still can't get fit. I even run 30 miles a week.

Didn't you just do a marathon?

ps I had a phone interview today for a job in...the suburbs (Nassau county) hopefully god will give me this job just to fuck w/ me. (I can still take a train + walk to the office because this is greater NYC.

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I don't think you can expect to be skinny just cause you walk a lot. but you can definitely expect not to be if you get no exercise, and it's far easier to get stuck in that lifestyle in a car-centric area.

Didn't you just do a marathon?

Yes, in May. But that was in Wisconsin so the amount of cheese consumed during that 2 day trip totally offset any amount of running I did.

everyone in nyc is skinny

when i was a tourist in nyc, i knew not to ask directions from overweight people, they were clearly not from there and would know nothing

they would probably give you CAR directions

yeah if you want to see fat people in NYC look for a non-taxi driver in queens or the bronx

(non-taxi) driver, rather

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/8/3/i/6/4/6/o/NewYorker.jpg

http://www.digitaljournal.com/photo/On6thAve.jpg

http://ronaldrenwick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fat-guy-on-scooter.jpg

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PHE2261.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4403812547_343961a999_z.jpg

had no idea spending two hours in a car was the real culprit; thought maybe it was the 8 hours ppl spend sitting at a desk, my eyes have been opened!

PP are those people in hardcore bands? i've heard you can be big, in an nyc hardcore band

I think if you commuted in a car to a job where you walked all day you'd be fine!

http://last10pounds.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/nyt-treadmill-desk.gif

is it really difficult to believe that 2 hours in a car + 8 hrs at a desk would be worse than 0 hours in a car + some physical exercise + 8 hrs at a desk? and that that does not in any way suggest that 8 hrs at a desk is good for you?

it is literally those two hours in a car--people from nyc are really skinny because they dont take two hours in a car--this is like a known fact

feel like cities aren't the only dense thing itt

^^ Needs one of these:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6143p0L3kTL.gif

xp

is it really difficult to believe that 2 hours in a car + 8 hrs at a desk would be worse than 0 hours in a car + some physical exercise + 8 hrs at a desk? and that that does not in any way suggest that 8 hrs at a desk is good for you?

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lol it's not difficult to believe at all i just thought this was worth noting

desk jobs are shit for peoples' health, as is junk food, smoking, whatever - they have no inherent correlation w/ walkable urbanism.

PP are those people in hardcore bands? i've heard you can be big, in an nyc hardcore band

omg lol

I walk quite a lot and I'm fat. And I'm healthy.

I've got one hand in my pocket,
And the other won't fit b/c I'm too damn fatter than hell.

New York is one of the walkingist cities
http://hr.blr.com/HR-news/HR-Administration/Commuting/10-Cities-Where-the-Most-Employees-Bike-or-Walk-to/

But not one of the skinniest
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/energeticcities.aspx
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2008/top25s/qualitylife/skinniest.html

that is because ppl walk from hot dog cart to hot dog cart

http://www.bestplaces.net/images/in-articles/energetic-cities.jpg

^^^ urban walking

new york city includes lots of car-oriented sprawl - staten island, outer queens/bronx/brooklyn. but more importantly it has lots of poor people and lots of minorities and there are correlations w/r/t income and race. that list = fairly dense rich white people places.

I wouldn't be surprised if south of harlem manhattan would top the list. at the very least, it would be on it.

rich ppl are always skinny

even if they live in the suburbs and take two hour helicopter rides 2 work everyday

note that most of the bay area makes it - just not the east bay - where there are poor people. and black people.

xp

so what exactly is the correlation between skinniness and race/class that you are making here? (Note I'm not saying there isn't one, just as I never said walking wasn't healthier than driving, but I'm curious what connection you're making).