― phil d. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Replace "TV" with "Film" and it's just as meaningless.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― In The Court Of The Redd King Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
In any case, it's not as if I haven't seen my share of "cinema" as being defined by Cheshire here, but like Ally, the idea that "cinema" and "movies" don't have some major Venn diagram shit going on is absolutely mind-boggling to me. And you can't seriously insist that "television values" is not a coded way of saying "LOL @ teh stupid proles."
― phil d. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
the best films>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the best tv shows
to answer the thread question, J Hoberman is great
― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
"No, you're supposed to say movies don't matter, that's what you're arguing."
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― In The Court Of The Redd King Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― In The Court Of The Redd King Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― In The Court Of The Redd King Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― In The Court Of The Redd King Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
phil (I don't remotely think you're a dummy), it's possible that the makers of (mainstream) (network) TV assume the 'proles' are dumber than they are, which results in the LCDness.
And if we don't make some kind of distinction between "cinema" and "movies," people will almost always assume you're talking about the Queen Latifah-The Rock spectrum rather than the Nicole Holofcener-Tsai ming-Liang one. (see every ILE film thread ever)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― In The Court Of The Redd King Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
There's some question-begging going on here.
x-post EW was iffy on "Friends With Money" because of teh Aniston. Anyone seen it? Opinions?
― phil d. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
OTM. most overrated show ever!
― latebloomer: 'I will meditate and then destroy you!' (latebloomer), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link
This is totally true (as is yr best movies greater than best tv equation), but with the caveat that I would say "these days at least" indicates an increase in quality of television (thanks to cable and its reduction of restrictions on the form) and not a decrease in the quality of movies over time.
― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Keep doin that strawman workout, gabb -- "genius" was never raised. I mights as well have said Haneke or Paul Weitz, anybody who's not a barrelscraper.
No one is addressing the specifics of inherent TV vs cinema aesthetics Cheshire is talking about, what a surprise.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― phil d. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Do The Math, Morbs) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, see phil, I utterly disagree with your point, given the ADHD butchery of Chicago.
― Dr (Read Cheshire) Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link
What IS very interesting in the interview is his discussion of film criticism as a dying breed, and a highly unfortunate casualty of the internet age that is indeed.
I admit to having to struggle to continue reading after the laughable Eisenstein/Godard line, I mean that could've been written into a Linklater "comedy". Probably spoken by Ethan Hawke.
― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
i think the main function of tv is familiarity. seeing the same faces and personalities every week or day.
What are cinematic values?
not sure...
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― phil d. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link
Take that crap back to the kitchen, it's underdone.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
anyway, film much less important to me than music, but if i want to get a sense of what's good, i'll mostly look to rosenbaum for the gut-check, with the understanding that his sensibility isn't precisely the same. i'll go to arguably closer-in-sensibility ebert for a clearer sense of what the experience of the movie is like, and what it is 'about', with the belief that there are certain kinds of films he just doesn't get.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link