Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

yeah sorry if i seemed curt, just feel it's not like it's just going "lol gays" or something. it's television and that long, long, speech max makes about "this man is my partner" etc, i felt they were laying it on thick in the way tv does to make you think something. the way they were talking about each other was quite unusual in the context of the meeting. but then i guess close male friendships would not be fleshed out on tv much either, or if they were it might often be to do a gay storyline.

(which is obv lame, but the point stands)

Honestly part of my problem with the gay angle is why can't two men have a loving relationship without them being gay? Or in an insipid, shallow "bromance." Like, I just really like the idea that Gus and Max were in platonic love. Also the "SURPRISE GUS IS GAY" reveal feels kind of cheap to me.

Also I'm peeved by reactions (less so here bc I think posters here are generally smarter than that but this is the only place on the Internet I discuss this show, so) that seem to discount even the possibility that Gus and Max could just be superbesties without also fucking each other.

If anybody is gay on this show, it should be Walt Jr. And Marie. I'd like to see her run off and live happily ever after with the realtor woman.

I don't think they're going for a "SURPRISE GUS IS GAY" thing, i think they're allowing you to draw your own conclusions

did anyone else wonder about what looked to be a black eye on Gus's partner?

or "partner", if you prefer.

Honestly part of my problem with the gay angle is why can't two men have a loving relationship without them being gay? Or in an insipid, shallow "bromance." Like, I just really like the idea that Gus and Max were in platonic love. Also the "SURPRISE GUS IS GAY" reveal feels kind of cheap to me.

Also I'm peeved by reactions (less so here bc I think posters here are generally smarter than that but this is the only place on the Internet I discuss this show, so) that seem to discount even the possibility that Gus and Max could just be superbesties without also fucking each other.

you can sort of flip this too tho and say there's no real judgement involved, and it's just "maybe gus is gay" rather than "surprise, gus is gay".

yah i read it that way.

I agree it's open to interpretation. I should have said that an obvious surprise gay reveal would feel cheap. I don't think that was intended to be the actual reveal.

This show is pretty economical, though -- who cares if Gus is gay? Does that change anything? It's going to have to work into the plot somehow, just like Marie's shoplifting/crazy might figure in at some point.

maybe it's just like we know v little about gus and his life and here's yet another thing we don't know for sure

feels like it's not a grand revelation? like he's an ultra intense, private, fastidious, duplicitous gangster/businessman and being gay/asexual would be just another wrinkle in his cloth.

It's just people speculating about a tv show. It's not like people are going "OMG Gus is gay. This changes everything!"

deliberately skipping thread for now cause i'm juuuuuuuust starting the show, but rly loved the first two eps.

hey Hoos guess what Gus is gay

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver! GUS IS GAY!

xpost

couldn't even tell u who gus is so

lol

i'm glad we've established that no one cares that/if GUS IS GAY.

No one cares and Even If he is, I don't think it will play any roll in the plot. Sort of like seeing Rawls at a gay bar in the Wire.

yeah maybe it's just like we know v little about gus and his life and here's yet another thing we don't know for sure

But we do learn A LOT about Gus from that flashback.

we sure do. for instance, we learn that gus likes (liked?) brown suits, and also having gay-style sex (with men).

I think he mentioned having kids when Walt ate at his house in S3 (doesn't mean he's not gay, of course, just saying).

Don't we see his kids/wife?

OK STOP NOW.

He has kids with, um, a woman up in, erm, Canada? She travels a lot?

Yeah, pretty sure Gus mentions his wife and kids when he has Walt over for dinner. Obviously that doesn't preclude him from being gay but I though he might be until that happened. Then again, his ultra-organized fastidiousness character seems to be fairly standard television stereotype for a gay man.
I think one of points of the flashback was to underline why he's tolerated Walt's insistence on keeping Jesse around (until lately at least), he understands their partnership and loyalty to one another.

Good point. Didn't even occur to me.

If Gus does have a family, that means, should they choose to reveal her, that we will have an inevitable matriarch showdown.

Scene from the series finale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDqTwSO1DDc&feature=related

Then again, his ultra-organized fastidiousness character seems to be fairly standard television stereotype for a gay man.
gus = chilean smithers?

I think one of points of the flashback was to underline why he's tolerated Walt's insistence on keeping Jesse around (until lately at least), he understands their partnership and loyalty to one another.

this was the important takeaway to me. nothing to do with sexuality really matters here.

Don't really see what "matters" in a tv show is supposed to mean. Hank making his homebrew or collecting rocks doesn't "matter" either, I don't think anyone is saying it's a big deal if gus is gay, just "I thought maybe he's gay".

well learning about schraderbrau didn't quite result in the same type of 'zomg woah' response as this did.

matters? Is it something that serves as a main motivator for a character? Whether or not Gus had any sexual relationship with max, gale, or the polls hermanos fry cook doesn't really have any bearing on why he values surrounding himself with smart, capable, loyal people and why he'd want to have his revenge on eladio. The purpose of the flashback wasnt to establish sexuality.

also I am still kind of asleep sorry if incoherent right now.

Certainly it helps establish Gus's anti-cartel motivation. Blood for blood, man.

gus is p patient eh

Patient like a fox.

like a gay fox

loved this episode and raised so many great questions. i love tv when the universe gets somehow widened.

+ Who is Gus in Chile?
+ Where's Don Eladio now?
+ Did Gus somehow play a role in Hector's stroke?
+ What's the game plan with Gus and Jesse?
+ When is Skyler going to bail for Colorado?

Some of my favourite performances ever tonight from Esposito and Cranston.

I am definitely eager for answers to questions 1 and 3.

+ will Mike ever get any backstory? what will it be?

He's did have his big "Half Measures" monologue where he revealed he used to be a cop

and he went home to his family one ep didn't he? I really need to rewatch this show from s1 sometime.

i totally remember that he's a grampa.

And a beloved one, at that.

I wonder how I would feel if I learned my pop pop was a fixer for an international drug operation.

gus was amazing in this episode! like i'd never really thought of him in an actorly way because his present day character is such a cipher, but before before the police meeting and in the flashback he turned it on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

someone may have already posted this but: Breaking Bad — Skyler White helps her husband, Walter, launder his meth money, doing research using this very page.

― Lamp, Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:22 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have absolutely no idea why, but apparently i have visited that link before. chrome's years long history is weird. i wonder what i was up to BITCH.

No the Gus actor is incredible, the way his face can change from being so effete and faux-gentle to sheer blind fury.

Amid all the Walt & Jesse stuff, is it possible that Gus and Mike just aren't that interested in revenge? That as long as he doesn't fuck up and lead the police to them, doesn't kill any more of their dudes, and continues to cook, they're okay with him continuing as he is? Walt is paranoid and egocentric enough to believe they're still out to kill him, but Mike & Gus don't seem concerned in the slightest. Why would there be, when the Mexican drug barons and Hank himself are much more pressing concerns?

Gus and Mike surely know that, at some point, Jesse will be quite happy to kill Hank. They probably know about he ricin already.

i don't think they'd have any way of knowing abt it - it didn't happen with Tuco or the carburger scheme (iirc - and if it did in the latter case, Gus and Mike aren't running deep toxicology reports on things found in dudes' car)

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