Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

lol

I feel the same way about the idea that Gus and his original business partner were lovers. I mean, if your longtime friend and business partner who is like your brother is murdered in front of you in part because of your actions, and then the murderer holds you down in a pool of your friend's blood while you stare into his dead eyes and watch his brains seep into a swimming pool, I bet you'd cry and start a scholarship fund, too.

watch the scene again.

I probably won't do that so just tell me what point you want to make.

I probably won't do that so just tell me what point you want to make.

I can't tell if you're mocking me or agreeing with me.

he was just underlining the sexual nature of your post

I don't know what it has to do with anything, but I can see it. First you get the Tio guy taunting their masculinity when he takes a leak, then you get the story that Gus put his partner through college. Which means he met him when he (the partner) was young, but why would Gus, the older man not from the wrong side of the tracks, have met him at all? Anyway, room for interpretation. There was definitely love there of some sort, regardless.

agreeing. sorry.

he was just underlining the sexual nature of your post

Haha this exchange clearly demonstrates Mr. Thinwall and I are having an affair.

And I get where the potential interpretation comes from. I just don't think it's such a slam dunk.

I don't think Hector's homophobia is much evidence for Gus being gay, though. Hector is an asshole and I doubt he would quail at calling a straight man's sexuality into question as part of his standard insult repertoire.

in a word, machismo

Exactly.

Also he peed in the pool. But later I was thinking Don Eladio probably wouldn't care since he'd have to clean all the blood anyway. Might as well piss in it!

un presagio machista, no?

yeah sorry if i seemed curt, just feel it's not like it's just going "lol gays" or something. it's television and that long, long, speech max makes about "this man is my partner" etc, i felt they were laying it on thick in the way tv does to make you think something. the way they were talking about each other was quite unusual in the context of the meeting. but then i guess close male friendships would not be fleshed out on tv much either, or if they were it might often be to do a gay storyline.

(which is obv lame, but the point stands)

Honestly part of my problem with the gay angle is why can't two men have a loving relationship without them being gay? Or in an insipid, shallow "bromance." Like, I just really like the idea that Gus and Max were in platonic love. Also the "SURPRISE GUS IS GAY" reveal feels kind of cheap to me.

Also I'm peeved by reactions (less so here bc I think posters here are generally smarter than that but this is the only place on the Internet I discuss this show, so) that seem to discount even the possibility that Gus and Max could just be superbesties without also fucking each other.

If anybody is gay on this show, it should be Walt Jr. And Marie. I'd like to see her run off and live happily ever after with the realtor woman.

I don't think they're going for a "SURPRISE GUS IS GAY" thing, i think they're allowing you to draw your own conclusions

did anyone else wonder about what looked to be a black eye on Gus's partner?

or "partner", if you prefer.

Honestly part of my problem with the gay angle is why can't two men have a loving relationship without them being gay? Or in an insipid, shallow "bromance." Like, I just really like the idea that Gus and Max were in platonic love. Also the "SURPRISE GUS IS GAY" reveal feels kind of cheap to me.

Also I'm peeved by reactions (less so here bc I think posters here are generally smarter than that but this is the only place on the Internet I discuss this show, so) that seem to discount even the possibility that Gus and Max could just be superbesties without also fucking each other.

you can sort of flip this too tho and say there's no real judgement involved, and it's just "maybe gus is gay" rather than "surprise, gus is gay".

yah i read it that way.

I agree it's open to interpretation. I should have said that an obvious surprise gay reveal would feel cheap. I don't think that was intended to be the actual reveal.

This show is pretty economical, though -- who cares if Gus is gay? Does that change anything? It's going to have to work into the plot somehow, just like Marie's shoplifting/crazy might figure in at some point.

maybe it's just like we know v little about gus and his life and here's yet another thing we don't know for sure

feels like it's not a grand revelation? like he's an ultra intense, private, fastidious, duplicitous gangster/businessman and being gay/asexual would be just another wrinkle in his cloth.

It's just people speculating about a tv show. It's not like people are going "OMG Gus is gay. This changes everything!"

deliberately skipping thread for now cause i'm juuuuuuuust starting the show, but rly loved the first two eps.

hey Hoos guess what Gus is gay

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver! GUS IS GAY!

xpost

couldn't even tell u who gus is so

lol

i'm glad we've established that no one cares that/if GUS IS GAY.

No one cares and Even If he is, I don't think it will play any roll in the plot. Sort of like seeing Rawls at a gay bar in the Wire.

yeah maybe it's just like we know v little about gus and his life and here's yet another thing we don't know for sure

But we do learn A LOT about Gus from that flashback.

we sure do. for instance, we learn that gus likes (liked?) brown suits, and also having gay-style sex (with men).

I think he mentioned having kids when Walt ate at his house in S3 (doesn't mean he's not gay, of course, just saying).

Don't we see his kids/wife?

OK STOP NOW.

He has kids with, um, a woman up in, erm, Canada? She travels a lot?

Yeah, pretty sure Gus mentions his wife and kids when he has Walt over for dinner. Obviously that doesn't preclude him from being gay but I though he might be until that happened. Then again, his ultra-organized fastidiousness character seems to be fairly standard television stereotype for a gay man.
I think one of points of the flashback was to underline why he's tolerated Walt's insistence on keeping Jesse around (until lately at least), he understands their partnership and loyalty to one another.

Good point. Didn't even occur to me.

If Gus does have a family, that means, should they choose to reveal her, that we will have an inevitable matriarch showdown.

Scene from the series finale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDqTwSO1DDc&feature=related

Then again, his ultra-organized fastidiousness character seems to be fairly standard television stereotype for a gay man.
gus = chilean smithers?

I think one of points of the flashback was to underline why he's tolerated Walt's insistence on keeping Jesse around (until lately at least), he understands their partnership and loyalty to one another.

this was the important takeaway to me. nothing to do with sexuality really matters here.

Don't really see what "matters" in a tv show is supposed to mean. Hank making his homebrew or collecting rocks doesn't "matter" either, I don't think anyone is saying it's a big deal if gus is gay, just "I thought maybe he's gay".

well learning about schraderbrau didn't quite result in the same type of 'zomg woah' response as this did.

matters? Is it something that serves as a main motivator for a character? Whether or not Gus had any sexual relationship with max, gale, or the polls hermanos fry cook doesn't really have any bearing on why he values surrounding himself with smart, capable, loyal people and why he'd want to have his revenge on eladio. The purpose of the flashback wasnt to establish sexuality.

also I am still kind of asleep sorry if incoherent right now.

Certainly it helps establish Gus's anti-cartel motivation. Blood for blood, man.

gus is p patient eh

Patient like a fox.