― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, exactly. I mean this doesn't make good sense, why is the paper trail this important right now? I mean, official requests? You can see with your own two eyes, turning on a television, that, OK, if these people COULD fax you an official, notarized, signed by everyone necessary BLAH BLAH BLAH request, they WOULD, but you know what? I bet they got other shit going down to be thinking about besides trying to, like, find some paper, write on it, and fax a request to FEMA. It just strikes me that, hi, paperwork, that can be done after the fact. I mean every workplace I've ever worked for has understood this, special circumstances require bending of the rules. Sometimes, you know, you have to get the person's credit card after the fact. Sometimes, you know, you gotta get that letter a year later because, like, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW, NOT THREE DAYS FROM NOW.
It's insanity, the complete level of...disinterest the Capitol has for this situation.
XPOST I didn't even know Fats Domino was still alive until I found out he was rescued!!! I watched 12 Monkeys a few nights ago and have had Blueberry Hill in my head off and on since then, so it was kind of a relief to find out that he didn't actually die 20 years ago as I had assumed!
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)
What's that proverb? Every crisis is an opportunity? AP this morning: "President Bush has used a constitutional provision to bypass the Senate and fill a top Justice Department slot with an official whose nomination stalled over tactics at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, naval facility."
OUR PREZNIT: GETTIN SHIT DONE
― maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)
― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)
But the Bush adminstration has broken the basic social contract in New Orleans, the one that goes all the way back to Thomas Hobbes and John Locke, the one that says we adhere to laws because you agree to protect us, and thus the city and its citizens have returned to the state of nature, which is to survive, motherfuckers, just survive.
and other bits about hipsters going to black clubs in a never-ending search for "authenticity" etc, El Doofus coming down and "[you] can bet he's gonna hug some negro, maybe two, maybe he'll feed a negro child."
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)
http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp
― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)
Stepping aside from Katrina specifically for a moment:
Y'all think *I* do that? What about all the feebs who watch him and nod their head approvingly even when he slips up, self-contradicts, begs forgiveness? *They're* the ones I'm worried about, and they're why I want to see what the mouthpieces say.
For myself, I've realized that the function of a lot of political commentary that I do agree with is to reassure me -- to say, "There there -- whether we're angry or just simply calling it 'like it is,' this way you can be reassured you are not alone, and we can all be comfortable at least in being right." This applies across the political spectrum. Well, I don't want to be reassured -- rather, I want to be annoyed, on guard, wary, suspicious. NRO's blog may be neocon fast food but it gives off a stench of the darker rot within.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)
― maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)
― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)
less than 2 months ago, cuba was able to move 1.7 million people onshort notice.
the whole civil defense is embedded in the community to begin with. people know ahead of time where they are to go.
they come to your door and knock, and tell you, evacuation is coming,then they come and tell you, now.
if no electricity, they have runners who communicate from a headquarters to central locations what is to be done.
the country's leaders go on TV and take charge. but not only the leaders are speaking. the TV weatherpeople are knowledgeable. and the population is well educated about hurricanes.
they not only evacuate. it's arranged beforehand where they will go, who has family where. not only pickup is organized, delivery of people is organized.
merely sticking them in a stadium is unthinkable. shelters all havemedical personnel, from the neighborhood. they have family doctors incuba (!), who evacuate together with the neighborhood, and already know who, for example, needs insulin.
if they evacuate to a countryside high school -- a last resort -- theyhave dormitories there.
they also have veterinarians and they evacuate animals. they beginevacuating immediately, and also evacuate TV sets and refrigerators, so that people aren't relucatant to leave because people might steal their stuff.
it's not throwing money at the problem. it's not financial capital, it's social capital. the u.s. in this sense has zero social capital.
dealing with hurricanes in cuba, as compared with how it's done in theu.s., is similar to the differences in how they deal with medicine. it's not reactive; it's proactive. they act as early as possible. the u.s. doesn't have civil defense, it has civil *reaction.*
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)
― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)
also, apparently the "Freedom Walk"/Pro-War Rally is still on!
why did Americans in the South vote in such a Clown as Bush?
remember everything that me and plenty others here and elsewhere about how people aren't all that rational in their voting patterns, that narratives("bush is a strong silent, man-of-the-people-on-his-ranch") matter far more than actual reality? or, that "facts don't trump frameworks," as George Lakoff once wrote?
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)
"There's nothing wrong about America that can't be fixed by what's right about America."
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)
"Imagine the Gulf Coast obliterated by the worst weapon imaginable."
No, that would be nuclear weapons, which you... ah, nevermind.
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
I tried to volunteer for the Capital City Area Red Cross for volunteer work in Katrina just now and the site's not even coming up at times. When I finally got to the page for signing up, they had some sort of error and the online form I filled out with my contact info didn't go through. I tried twice more and it still faltered. Fuck. I'll have to try it again later today, if it's working. I can't get through on the phone, either, and I haven't found information as to where the office is.
― Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)
yeah well, again, the ruling conservative ideology doesn't believe in social capital. They don't believe in much of anything with the words "social" or "public" in them. The whole idea of the social contract -- which is arguably one of the two or three most important ideas underpinning democratic self-government -- is in their view part of the "problem." This is already showing up in the right-wing commentary: the problem isn't government's failure to respond, it's peoples' expectation that government will respond. The answer is not more or better government, it's less and worse government, to teach people not to be so "dependent."
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)
― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)
― deej.., Friday, 2 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)
― maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)
Y'all think *I* do that?
yes. i'm pretty sure if i searched on your posts that were reposts of his posts, i'd have quite a few results. don't take it the wrong way, i know why you're fascinated by him, but at the end of the day it's something that i can't really understand or share. i mean, the guy is clearly a douche, even after reading him for a little bit. can it really be that much of a revelation at this point that he's going to contradict himself, badly?
What about all the feebs who watch him and nod their head approvingly even when he slips up, self-contradicts, begs forgiveness? *They're* the ones I'm worried about, and they're why I want to see what the mouthpieces say.
i honestly don't think they matter. i'm not sure there's that many of them, either.
but that said, i'm just pointing it out to point it out, as hopefully constructive criticism, not cuz i like hate ya or nothing. that's all.
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)
No officials on the ground, so it's just young men who fight to get the food.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)
― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)
What matters, I think, is that regardless of the exact amount more than a few are in more than a few positions of power these days. Tuning into that wavelength is an eerie fascination, I admit. But we could debate this into the ground.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)
You guys, something is happening.
Ted Koppel, Joe Scarborough, NRO, Cafferty, Anderson Coopers, Robert Siegel on NPR grilling Chertof, fucking PAULA ZAHN getting pissed off, etc. Something is happening here. Please Christ let the deaths of thousands of Americans have at least the effect of shaking up the complacency of everyone else.
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)
NOTE: One quote caught my ear but I didn't quite focus on it. I've played it again and Brown is laying the groundwork for putting the blame on LA's governor. (It must be a Fox News talking point; my dad made the same argument earlier.)
Brown of FEMA: We work closely with the state government. The federal government didn not just come in here and tell the state governor how or what to do. We came in here and said, 'What do you want us to do? We will help you.' We are now taking it upon ourselves to do what we think needs to be done. And we will continue to do that.
Translation: LA's Democratic governnor screwed things up royally and now we're cleaning up her mess and taking charge.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)
― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."
Somehow I don't think that'll take root, except with Republican cheerleaders.
still, it's always good to identify and point out the Talking Point when it begins.
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)
Last night on PRI's The World radio show, they asked a BBC reporter how we was reporting the story to the UK and other countries that was different from how it was being reported in the US. He said the most notable difference was having to explain how it was that the wealthiest country in the world wasn't able to deal with a disaster like this.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)
"We got a lot of rebuilding to do.... the good news is and it's hard for some to see it now but out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic gulf coast... out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- the guy lost his entire house -- there's going to be fantastic house. I look forward to sitting on the porch. Out of New Orleans is going to come that great city again."
Glad Trent is going to be taken care of.
― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)
Take the ball, run with it!
― gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)
― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)
― Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)
Trent Lott will have a fantastic house, indeed.
― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)
you guys, something is happening.
xpost: Is he shaking the negro's hands and smiling? or he looking "somber"?
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)
Now if you don't mind I have to go meet Condi for martinis and a trip to Kate Spade.
xpost Bush is going to be remembered exactly like I just said. WHAT THE FUCK WAS ANYONE THINKING, WAS IT A PRACTICAL JOKE?
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)
"As a result of Katrina, Saudi Arabia has finally admitted that it cannot increase (oil) production. Many of us knew they’ve been lying for at least two years. The Energy Information Administration has just admitted that global demand has been outstripping supply for several months before Katrina. Nice time to start telling the truth. Nature is finally calling everybody’s bluff.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)