2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

im hoping for 1000 macaca moments in this campaign

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this

Anyway -- tanned, rested, ready...ROMNEY! Uh.

Also, a little story on GOP converts to Obama.

yeah obama can take the high road like nobody's business - the problem is that his opponents (especially in the g.e.) are bullies, and bullies will poke you again and again and not let you go. he's going to have to choose a moment or two in which he retaliates and is seen to retliate effectively

it makes me sad that politics is basically reduced to fake pugilism

lol at republicans hating on dems for carrying their fight on longer than the GOP and then after one measly nyt article suddenly theres 5 republicans running all over again

I'm not worried about a very significant percentage of the electorate actually thinking "Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist." I'm more worried about the people who will feel "uncertain" about him, that he's an "unknown quantity," etc.

hurting i think the genius of axelrod's marketing around obama's 'story' and biography is the way they've managed to insulate him from that charge

they're selling him as a person and leader, not as a legislator, which is the main problem with hillary and mccain's attacks on him

I'm not sure if I agree with the "stay-above-it" strategy, tho. That's what Kerry did with the Swift Boaters. It's a tough call, I admit.

yeah who can forget how the vibrant, charismatic john kerry campaign was sabotaged by that

lol

I'm not telling him to do that at all times in the general election. I'm telling him to do that against hillary when he's ahead and can probably win the nom simply by avoiding mistakes.

Also to be fair the Swift Boat shit was a lot more serious and harder to respond to than a photo of Obama in a lolturban. Which of course does make me wonder what kind of serious, well-organized smear the GOP will come up with this time and does worry me a bit.

All the GOP can do is make his blackness indivisible from his executive "inexperience." And it's working! Callers to talk radios and, hell, my grandmother do this shit.

Plouffe has a fine response:
On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world,"

All the GOP can do is make his blackness indivisible from his executive "inexperience." And it's working! Callers to talk radios and, hell, my grandmother do this shit.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, February 25, 2008 1:04 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

what do you mean by this?

Yeah, which is why he needs an older, white, 'experienced' veep.

Wes Clark Wes Clark Wes Clark

The whole idea that "oh no Obama needs to hit back now [i.e., in some snarky way]" runs counter to the idea that the guy has won with double-digit leads in a bunch of states. His campaign knows that anger, outrage, distortion, and fear are not necessary parts of competition, and he (like Huckabee on his best days) is flipping the script, successfully so far.

what do you mean by this?

This weekend my grandmother, a Republican says, "Yes, I've been learning about this Obama. His middle name is HUSSEIN and his mother is African. This man would be horrible if he was elected -- the worst president in history."

we live in the fucking stone ages, with our ipods and our reflective clothing

Wes Clark Wes Clark Wes Clark

-- remy bean, Monday, February 25, 2008 12:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

nononono
first of all hes in the tank for hrc but more importantly his whole candidacy was exactly what was wrong w/ the democratic approach in the last election, thinking we needed a campaign that was like a VFW meeting

Grandma listens to late night radio, which broadcasts some spooky Oliver Stone-worthy conspiracy tripe. The personalities exploit racial and ethni fears as a matter of course.

(xxxpost)

Is there any Democrat she would vote for, A,LS?

maybe this guy?

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/johnkerrysalutes.jpg

woops

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/johnkerrysalutes.jpg

I wouldn't really want to pick a Democratic candidate based on who would scare/offend L,AS's grandma the least.

the last "real Democrat" was LBJ, she sez.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080223011336AA1ziz9

Has anyone seen Michelle Hussein Obama's tripe, and what do you think of it, if so?

found while googling for pics of michelle hussein :-[

http://home.wanadoo.nl/kraan90/image/husain,%20mishal8.jpg
be my 1st lady <3 <3

Everyone around the world is watching and wondering if America is that easily fooled into voting for someone who truly wants to follow a socialistic agenda.

Canadians are going to wonder if America goes the way of Canada, then where will they go for decent health care?

Will Americans really adopt plans that are failing in Canada and Europe? Do Americans really want 55% of their earnings to go to taxes?

Do the American people really want bigger and more government intrusion in their lives. I am certain that other countries have thought the people here were much smarter than that.

Ask the Cubans who were forced into socialistic/communism.
They are still trying to make that treacherous trip to come here.

What do intelligent Americans think? I for one believe Michele and Barack want to gain the power to control business and even down to regulate how we care for our health. Yes, our security would be threatened by undermining intelligence and emasculating the military. Those tax increases will affect us all negatively!

-- Moody Red (Top Contributor)

ugh there are some dumb fucking people in this world

She hates America, like all liberals.

true, sadly - if only the independent not so interested in the process voters could see this.

lol @ the idea we live in a "post-ideological world" when you read stuff like this

"post-ideological" just means "my ideology won"

more like 'post-ideological' means that you don't advertise your ideology, you advertise your image

What do intelligent Americans think? I for one

That's a fail right there already, don't need to read the rest of the sentence.

Everyone around the world is watching and wondering if America is that easily fooled into voting for someone who truly wants to follow a socialistic agenda.

Given the last thirty years of presidential history, the rest of the world must be even stupider than us.

think its safe to say that none of McCain's wives ever wrote a thesis about black people. please keep that in mind when you are voting. for great justice.

xpost: at this point, I doubt anyone in the rest of the world really cares as long as someone else takes over in November - it can't possibly be worse than Evil Dick and his cowboy clown sidekick.

The wars in other countries are always near, never far away. The president is only the man who can get immunity, never plan ahead. Barack, gangs are permanent, wars are imminent, and the future is only bleak for us out here, never in there. When we turn on the television, or like my brother read daily in the news paper about political issues, we see change never coming. The president changes every 4-8 years, but lobbyist, judges,system makers, and rich people who contribute to their own change still remain. Every campaign is the same Hilary, when does it change. When are you going to see that every country, every person, every leader, lives by a greed that their own people can and will always understand, and that they see democracy not even working in the United States. There is no hate, only frustration and action on that feeling. So I ask, What will you do, that Bush couldn't do, that the last presidents decades after decades could not do? Comment on that!

"the rest of the world" is unanimous in holding the republicans responsible for george w. bush and assuming that their time is now over - there would be genuine incomprehension if any republican won, almost even more now than in 2004

actually although I posted that comment for its unintelligibility it kind of makes sense to me now!

meanwhile, the left wing conspiracy grows only larger: http://dlisted.com/node/24138

Tell me why:

Kathleen Sebelius
Wes Clark
John Kerry
Bill Richardson

should and shouldn't be veep.

No one ever wants to see Kerry again.

Kerry is a failure, Clark is a non-entity, Richardson is a bozo. Sebelius is best option but kinda stilted and perhaps unsuited for the trad VP attack dog role...?

Also - see separate VP speculation thread

JOE BIDEN!

NO?

OKAY :(