classic.
― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― efil4zelffor (deangulberry), Saturday, 23 April 2005 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― happy fun ball (kenan), Saturday, 23 April 2005 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 23 April 2005 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link
my top 3 US comedys:the larry sanders showstrangers with candysealab2021
there has sure been a lot of david cross backlash lately. i have 1+2 plus the third season of mr show on dvd but i bought them mostly because i was searching for one particular sketch and i rarely watch them in their entirety. that said, there are few tv comedy moments that have me laughing out loud whenever i later think of them but the dice and sponge sandwich scene from the third season had me laughing hysterically whenever it would cross my mind for at least a year after i first saw it.
pleasant plains and i have been watching the ben stiller show over the past week or so. its ok but id take mr show over it any day.
oh, and sort of on topic - what the fuck is up with kelsey grammer and that sketch show?
― katharine (katharine), Saturday, 23 April 2005 06:06 (nineteen years ago) link
i still say american sketch comedy has never done better than mr. show, ever. i'm glad they cut it short before it got grotesquely awful (like later kids in the hall).
right now i'm wanting to see the streaking episode. if only for the heavenly sarah silverman's line "you sure slapped some meat in their eyes, jimmy!"
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 23 April 2005 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link
I like David Cross but there is something smug about him that grates sometimes. I far prefer Bob.
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 23 April 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh yes, yes indeed.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link
the one and only sketch on the ben stiller show that reached the heights that mr.show reached regularly. and if he hadn't been able to do it on the stiller show it probably would have ended up on mr.show.
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link
*bows in the direction of Mr. Seward, respectfully disagrees*
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link
I realized it was trying to be that, but it just...wasn't. At least not constantly, not consistently, though it desperately tried hard (too hard?) to be that, forcing the humor and forcing quotes around 'loopy' and 'inspired' as a result. I saw a whole batch of episodes all at once and then a few here and there since and just...no, sorry, not more than wryly amusing here and there. Not *no* laughs, as I mention above -- Dalai Lama sketch, for instance, a definite winner. But gosh, so much of it could have been edited down, made dryer maybe...yeah, I'm not the guys actually getting up there and creating it all so I should talk, but if I find myself telling the show/sketch/actors to get on with it on a semi-regular basis then it's just not working for me, and listing a whole bunch of references won't convince me, much the same way that the huge list of injokes I can make from MST3K -- which to me just outstrips Mr. Show for laughs still, completely -- isn't going to convince someone who has seen a slew of episodes and just shrugged and moved on.
But yeah, there is the Cross factor. I love Odenkirk in Stiller, he seems dragged down and sprawling in Mr. Show = either Cross is even worse than I imagine him or the camaraderie on Stiller was a perfect secret weapon.
Anyway, Mr. Show doesn't work for me, you think the Kenna album sucks, and yet we are love. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link
The one about Marijuana is one of the best things I've ever seen, but since every show changes into a million different bits, let me clarify that it's the one that starts off with Dave being high.
There are so many tiny details in Mr. Show to laugh at that most shows wouldn't bother to add. To say that Mr. Show was "trying to be" anything is assuming too much. It *was* a loopy and inspired show and if you see it as "trying to be" such, then I'd say you are projecting. It just is what it is.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Saying that the show was loopy and inspired because it was loopy and inspired is a bit glib. I don't doubt you like it at all and that you enjoy it very much, so can I ask that you consider the opposite point of view might have been derived from the same basic experience, ie watching the show? As I've had to point out on similar threads before, the very thread *title* invites debate, yes?
I actually didn't have much of a problem with Cross until I saw Mr. Show, to be honest -- I was completely neutral. Now, in combination with other things of his, I am not. Is that projecting or my reaction?
Anyway, onions. Yum!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link
You need to get on political TV talk shows.
(More seriously, what part of "I DO NOT THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT WAS ENTERTAINING OR SUCCESSFUL AND THEREFORE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE 'YES, IT WAS ALL THOSE THINGS' FLATLY IS GOING TO MAKE ME GO 'OH RIGHT YOU ARE, I WILL DENY MY OWN EXPERIENCES IN ORDER TO SUIT YOUR REALITY" did you not understand? And why does the final line of your complaint remind me of all those messages Melody Maker used to get and print from aggreived attendees of concerts saying "Were you at the same show I was?!")
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link
All I am saying is that it would make more sense for you to say that this approach to comedy didn't work for you because "it was a little too loopy and inspired to be funny", rather than to say they were "trying to be loopy and inspired but it just... wasn't." Because it was!
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't know because they're completely different points. One is about experiencing a show and one is about experiencing the thought process behind-the-scenes of the show.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Honestly, I'm not much of one either. It's very easy to see why it's so liked, though -- I think I enjoy it much more as reference source!
i always thought that "trying too hard" atmosphere of mr.show was done on purpose. cuz the live stuff was SUPPOSED to resemble people trying desperately to stay on the air and be funny. I liked that live theatre aspect to it.
I like that explanation! That's a good way to think about it that I honestly hadn't thought of. I don't know if it'll help me see it in a new light but I'll keep it in mind should I run across an episode again in future.
rather than to say they were "trying to be loopy and inspired but it just... wasn't." Because it was!
Lemonade, you are conflating an admittedly more descriptive or at least harder to pin down point -- 'loopy,' which can be both positive or negative, and in this case I used in it a 'yeah, it's 'loopy,' thanks whatever' sense -- with 'inspired,' which is clearly meant to be positive and which I specifically question in terms of how I feel about the show. If you can't accept that there is a difference in connotation then that's your own worry. Otherwise this boils down to:
YOU: "It was inspired!"
ME: "I don't think it was inspired, despite your claiming otherwise."
YOU: "But it was inspired!"
ME: "I agree you think it was inspired, but I don't believe so."
ME: *looks for some Sonic Youth to listen to instead*
I am FAR from arguing I'm a perfect arguer on these boards here, as folks like the good Mr. Miccio and Mr. Chow and others have, I think quite rightly, pointed out. But can you see where this is breaking down a bit?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link
*places Lemonade in scriptwriting session for Mr. Show, in safe sealed suit to protect him from the hot wind emanating from Mr. Cross's mouth*
WRITERS: *write write write argue suggest finalize*
LEMONADE: "It's so inspired!" (*leaves, honestly appreciating and enjoying what has been seen and heard*)
*episode airs, featuring a variety of elements; Ned watches it and happens to find it wanting*
LEMONADE: "Wasn't that inspired?"
NED: "Well, no."
LEMONADE: "IT WAS INSPIRED! YOU CANNOT DESCRIBE IT AS ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE BY DEFINITION IT IS INSPIRED!"
NED: *flips through old Melody Maker to find that one interview with Chris Morris*
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link
See, it WAS inspired! :D
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost *THANK* you Scott. I fully agree with Scott about the tradition Mr. Show exists in, we disagree over it turned out with said show. He I'm sure finds it inspired and doubtless inspiring, I don't. Etc. etc.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link
and got to make his own John Wick movie
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link
Nobody was so much fun
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:25 (one year ago) link
Meanwhile, David Cross just gets to sit around collecting Alvin and the Chipmunk movie residuals while hoping no one brings up the fact that he used to be best friends with Gavin McInnes.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link
it's pretty wild to imagine that one of the greatest TV dramas ever made was nearly forced to just end on a massive cliffhanger because one of the Mr. Show guys had a heart attack
― frogbs, Thursday, 8 June 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link
They could have just replaced Bob with David. No one would have noticed.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 June 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link
Good find, somebody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBsRvdHJUDk
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
Hank Dobson's Mini-Mart & Country
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 June 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSqALwnF2QA
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 10 December 2023 17:02 (nine months ago) link
haha, i'm not much of a podcast listener but i just skipped to the middle to get the gist of it and bob was sharing his theory (or really, just the facts) that when a murder takes place on a tv show or movie, that murder actually happened in real life
― i'm really excited to learning more", *sunglasses fly onto dog.gif* (z_tbd), Sunday, 10 December 2023 17:10 (nine months ago) link
Comedian Jay Johnston, best known for his work in the animated hit Bob's Burgers, has pleaded guilty over his involvement in the 6 January US Capitol riot. Mr. Johnston admitted on Monday to a single count of obstructing officers during a civil disorder. He will be sentenced in October and faces up to five years in federal prison.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw0yqv84x4ko
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 July 2024 19:23 (two months ago) link
Saw that dude in Men in Black the other night
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 8 July 2024 19:24 (two months ago) link
_Comedian Jay Johnston, best known for his work in the animated hit Bob's Burgers,
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 01:44 (two months ago) link
Maybe they’ll treat the pregnant swan with leniency at sentencing
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 02:14 (two months ago) link
he might be an insurrectionist but I can't bring myself to hate the Everest sketch
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 03:03 (two months ago) link
imagine going back in time and being told that of the show's main cast one of them would go on to voice one of the most popular cartoon characters ever, another would star in Alvin and the Chipmunks, another would be the main character in one fo the most acclaimed dramas of the 21st Century, and another would be arrested for attempting to overthrow the US government. you wouldn't get any of them right.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 03:08 (two months ago) link
and one of them would play Slot Machine Man in a new season of Twin Peaks
― willips brighton the quorners (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 03:22 (two months ago) link
Cross has always taken big studio acting roles, I don’t think the Chipmunks thing would be all that surprising.
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 07:13 (two months ago) link
You left out: One would be photographed being kissed by Rush Limbaugh
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 10:46 (two months ago) link
definitely would have predicted Posehn as the govt overthrower
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 11:16 (two months ago) link
One could be Starred in critically-acclaimed comedy running from 2003-2019
― francisF, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 14:49 (two months ago) link
How about speaking at the 2016 Democratic convention?
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 14:52 (two months ago) link
Or directing President Obama in a comedy sketch?
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 14:56 (two months ago) link