Burn, Nic Cage, Burn!

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God this looks bad. Part of the greatness of the original is the texture it gains through the depiction of pagan culture (both its good and bad points), but here they seem to have become boring old satanists. Bet he doesn't die at the end.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

You know what I'm still mad about? When they got Nic Cage, John Malkovich, and Jon Cusack together to make a movie. The result? Con Air.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I love the original but I'm not totally put off by an American remake. If - IF - it can tap into the older, wierder American folk culture as the original utilised British pagan/folk songs and ceremonies.

No Paul Giovanni, no credibility.

Yeah, the music was so integral to the original, it'll be crucial as to what is used in the remake.

David Orton (scarlet), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

I spent several hours in the company of someone whose favourite films ever is Vampire's Kiss the other day and he talked about it for a very very very long time. It sounded appalling, but if that's what the fake plastic teeth is all about, then I may revise that opinion.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 8 June 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

If - IF - it can tap into the older, wierder American folk culture as the original utilised British pagan/folk songs and ceremonies.

It'll be boring old satanists all the way, mark my words.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 8 June 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Saw the trailer yesterday. Nic Cage shouting "Who is the WICKER MAN?!?!" ... this might be the most rofflicious remake of all time. That's the best we can hope for anyway.

ledge (ledge), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

This is going to be a banner year for rofflicious Nic Cage movies.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

sounds appalling

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
ANYONE SEE IT?

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

seeing it today... will report back

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

oh noes bees

stet (stet), Monday, 4 September 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

God I hate Nicolas Cage so much. Barry Norman really put his finger on it when he said that the problem with Nicolas Cage is that he makes it all look so hard. He looks like he's doing hard sums all the time in every fucking film he's in. I hate him. He's plodding and boring and where anyone got the idea that his horsey face is even vaguely attractive is beyond me.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 4 September 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I tried to watch the original but gave up after discovering it's a MUSICAL. A horrible, hippie pagan musical.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 4 September 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

you're insane

btw this was so fucking awful... what a joke. totally idiotic, misogynistic, everything good about the original excised in favour of horrible back-story and renaissance faire bullshit

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

TRISH YOU RULE

I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

yes you do!

jed_ (jed), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Fellow Chilxor Milkmaid and I have tentative plans to wait outside local theaters and immolate one attendee from each showing in protest of this remake.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

from the first post on the thread: Neil LaBute being director is weird as hell, too.

when the opening credits ran I was like 'hey that name is familiar, what else did he direct again?' and then I moved on, but by the time Nicolas Cage is screaming "YOU BITCHES" at the top of his lungs I was like 'oh yeah, now I remember'

goes without saying that it can't even begin to compare to the original, and the direction is very very very poor, so much leaden tedium, great casting but phoned in acting, etc. but the film's fantastically paranoid gender war spin on the original is so unbelievable, when it turns the final corner and begins underlining it's female-thesis, it goes over the line into watchably bad. I saw this on a date with a friend was laughing hysterically through the last third and on the way out she said 'well, what are you even going to do with that'

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

i know right?? when nic cage starts punching teenage girls in the face it really enters gonzo badness territory

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else find it strange that he won an Oscar once upon a time?

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

no

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

i think half his problem is that he's in almost literally every movie that comes out

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my god does this seriously feature Nicholas Cage sucker punching women???? I have got to see this.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (allyzay), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i think you just sold me on an unsellable movie. maybe i'll see something else and sneak in.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think I read somehwere (perhaps even here) that the original was the lower part of a bill shared with Don't Look Now. I have never seen Don't Look Now, but what a double whammy, eh? And now they are both newspaper freebies.

Perhaps this should be on the 1986 thread.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

I would consider Cage's repeated coldcocking of women in this film a spoiler but now that the cat's out of the bag, yes that's the exact moment the entire audience seemed to go 'oh, okay'

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahahaha

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

I feel sorry for Aaron Eckhart nowadays too, because every time I see him he reminds me of how much I hate Neil LaBute and I want to land one right on his chin bum.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Neil Labute is usually great. Aaron Eckhart looks like Jussi Jaaskelainen.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

you a big possession/nurse betty/shape of things fan?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Nic Cage punching girls in the face! WTF, cinema?

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe this is going to be set in America. Who could
support such an awful, awful decision? It's unbelievable. I'll
still watch it, of course - you never know.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

i know :(

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

The film's dedicated to late musician Johnny Ramone, who introduced Nicolas Cage to Robin Hardy's original film.

Fuck you anyway Johnny...

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

What's wrong with setting a wicker man film in America? Is it paganism intrinisically unamerican or something?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Have you seen the original?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Err... yeah. But it was a different film.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

"Is it paganism intrinisically unamerican or something"

pretty much. this country was founded by Puritans you know. There is no history of paganism in the US like there is in Europe. the closest we come is highly diluted rituals/motifs imported from Africa and the Caribbean.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

(at least until you get to modern times and mass media)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

What Shakey said.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Neil Labute is usually great.

HAHANO.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

And faux-celtic paganism in America is all too cute and new-agey.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.columbia.edu/~rlb7/jpegs/serpent.jpg

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose so, but it's... a story. There are no pagan communities living off the West Coast of Scotland either for that matter. And I don't think wicker men were really ever used for human sacrifice either.

I dunno. It just seems a silly reason to object to a horror film, that it's unrealistic or something.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

the fact is paganism has much deeper cultural resonance in a European context than in an American one.

wicker men were used for all kinds of sacrifices, including human, at least according to "The Golden Bough". And there have been all kinds of pagan communities in Scotland throughout history (regardless of whether there's any there NOW, surely you can see how their previous actual existence would be relevant/lend weight to a horror story?!)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

think about it, what makes a scarier plot device: a creepy group of people with ties to ancient and mysterious powers/rituals, or a creepy group of people with ties to a pop-culture phenomenon stretching back less than 30 years.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

they downplay the actual paganist rituals in the new version that were so detailed in the original. here, the only thing the film needs you to know about these women is that they're all witches
The film's dedicated to late musician Johnny Ramone, who introduced Nicolas Cage to Robin Hardy's original film.

when the credits came up on the words 'dedicated to Johnny Ramone', right the big ending, well... we were just... we didn't know anything anymore

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

right _after_ the big ending, etc.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

Shirley Jackson's short story the Lottery is a perfect example of how this kind of story does work in an american context. It's quite famous, a town draw a lottery once a year and the loser is stoned to death. Settler communities of pilgrims are easy to imagine falling into savagery of the sort that is in the original film. "That first winter was hard, we had to eat the children" style.

See also Stephen King.

Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

according to wikipedia, Julius Caesar was the first to note the druids' use of wicker men for human sacrifice.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

nic cage is an essential movie star, love him. i will never complain abt his presence in a movie though i may lol at it.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 17:57 (eleven years ago)

I just wanna give a shout out to this scene from Bad Lieutenant, every time I see it it's even crazier than I remembered. And to think it takes place before his character goes really nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8otgTeqyjMI

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 18:59 (eleven years ago)

did anyone see his David Gordon Green noncamp movie?

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:04 (eleven years ago)

Love that little speech he rehearses when he's waiting in a line in Leaving Las Vegas. I kept expecting him to get nuttier later on but it just becomes quieter and it's quite sad.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:10 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

A report from the field

Just received the best press release of 2017:

"NICOLAS CAGE IS IN NO WAY ENGAGED WITH AN ENDORSEMENT FOR JAPANESE SNACK FOOD BRAND RISKA" pic.twitter.com/XmOGM0Qq66

— Zach Schonfeld (@zzzzaaaacccchhh) October 11, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:23 (eight years ago)

easily the worst news of the day

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 12 October 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/GMgXMHz.jpg

pplains, Thursday, 12 October 2017 16:17 (eight years ago)

three months pass...

https://theoutline.com/post/3121/you-can-now-watch-nicolas-cage-play-james-bond
https://gfycat.com/FlawlessForthrightAmericanshorthair

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 23:06 (eight years ago)

one year passes...

A vision.

there is a direct to video movie from the late '80s that Nicolas Cage randomly appears in. this is the entirety of his performance. pic.twitter.com/j0YcJSJ8Oy

— A Cruel Angel's Beavis (@alex_navarro) July 24, 2019

the movie is called Never on Tuesday and it's never been released outside of VHS. which is how it should stay.

— A Cruel Angel's Beavis (@alex_navarro) July 24, 2019

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:06 (six years ago)

interesting encapsulation of his career there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:10 (six years ago)

two years pass...

The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent is a damn treat, it turns out.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 April 2022 22:54 (four years ago)

eight months pass...

The apotheosis is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LmO6rmDW08

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 January 2023 18:18 (three years ago)

this is a sequel to Vampires Kiss right

frogbs, Thursday, 5 January 2023 18:36 (three years ago)

one year passes...

Posted this on the San Francisco thread since that's where it's going to be at but a week from tonight Zach Schonfeld and I will be talking about his great book How Coppola Became Cage:

https://www.booksmith.com/cage-book

And if possible we'll see about recording it!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 July 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

Longlegs is the first Nicholas Cage film I've seen since, I don't know, maybe Adaptation or Snake Eyes, whichever one came later. I've had no interest in whatever he's been doing since his elevation to cult-figure status.

But I like a good serial-killer film, so I thought it was worth a chance. In some prior universe, Cage would have played the detective...Went off the rails in the last 20 minutes, when it starts explainin' stuff, but before that, grim and reasonably effective. The point of it all, I don't know. It's got something to do with Bill Clinton, and a lot of something to do with T. Rex.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 July 2024 01:22 (one year ago)

Looked at his filmography. I think I saw The Weather Man--that'd be the last one.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 July 2024 01:26 (one year ago)

Hated nearly every single thing about Longlegs. Alicia Witt is fine until her character becomes too ridiculous.

Chris L, Sunday, 28 July 2024 01:27 (one year ago)

I thought there was directorial skill in the first two parts, a few nice compositions, a decent build-up. Part three was preposterous.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 July 2024 01:30 (one year ago)

Fascinating stuff I didn't know about the director, Osgood Perkins (from the Vulture review):

Perkins, for his part, is creating a Freudian cocktail from autobiographical elements. His father was Anthony Perkins, a closeted actor who died of complications from AIDS in 1992 and was best known for playing the title character in Psycho, a motel manager who takes orders from a psychological construct of the mother he murdered for her sexual appetites, and who still haunts him. Perkins’s mother was model, actress, and photographer Berry Berenson, who died on 9/11 while traveling in one of the hijacked planes that crashed into the World Trade Center a day before what would have been the anniversary of her husband’s death.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 July 2024 03:33 (one year ago)

"Looked at his filmography. I think I saw The Weather Man--that'd be the last one."

Every fibre of my being wanted to reply with "actually it was The Wicker Man". With the word "wicker" in double italics.

But he was in a film called The Weather Man. It came out in 2005. He was a weatherman, although nowadays you have to call them weatherpeople or weatherpersons. They get offended if you call them weathermen.

I hope he completes the trilogy by appearing in a film called The Wither Man. Except that it would be The Wither Person get out of my head.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 28 July 2024 22:14 (one year ago)

And here's the recording! Turn up the volume, the recording level was low.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZRFiu_G9dU

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2024 17:13 (one year ago)

one month passes...

heard a description of Leaving Las Vegas, which I haven't seen since the 90s, and realized that both of Cage's Oscar nominations have been for roles in which he played a screenwriter (Adaptation being the other)

jaymc, Monday, 30 September 2024 01:13 (one year ago)


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