People who stay 30 minutes at their restaurant table after they've paid, while there are people standing and waiting for the table...

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That poet bartender (Lulu -- she's pretty great) was giving me major buybacks at the Matos event. Hmmm. Possibly she worried that I would never get as drunk as everyone else without help.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 21 February 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe she just thinks you're cuter. *sigh*

gave her $15 tip on a $25 order (4 shots makers, 1 pint). no buyback. wtf?!?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe she thought a 60% tip was a sign you'd had too much already? Or maybe I'm considered a semi-regular there by now?

When I tended bar I would plumb forget to pour the free ones when it got too busy; but those two weren't overworked really.

On topic: I am way too antsy by nature to ever stay in a restaurant after I've paid.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

a 60% is a sign that I'm a nice guy! wtf! fuck no they were not too busy, tattoo dude was leaving it up to lulu to do most of the heavy lifting.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean i'm sure it's the semi-regular thing. i thot you lived way uptown? i mean i go to williamsburg for drinx but that's just because it's l@ur@ r0g3rs, man.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you count out the tip or just push two $20s at her with a leer and stagger off? (i am kidding).

I actually have no idea why I'm always at the Magician. Things just work out that way. I crash downtown a lot. I love emptyish bars and it's one of the few Manhattan can offer. That tattooed dude is a definite liability though.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

they should fire him and hire me!

i just left with the drinx as soon as i paid.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Depends on the place, but if I've paid a decent amount for a meal I'm leaving when I damn well feel. Any restaurant that puts a time limit on their tables will not get my custom.

Ed (dali), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

no time limit, but keep drinking and running a tab.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

AND TIP WELL YOU CRAZY EUROPEANS!!!!! unless of course you're in europe where you don't have to.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This seems to only happen with tables of two. Most groups will clear out once they're done, with minimal lingering.

Umm, this is maybe because one party (typically the one with the penis) wants to go home and have sex with the other one, but at the close of the meal things are still kind of a wash and they could theoretically go home separately, so extra time has to be spent before going outside, just to clinch that they're at least going out for drinks after. Alternately I think you get a lot of pairs of women who don't see one another in forever and then pledge to catch up over a long dinner and then kinda momentarily fall in love with one another and bask in it, even though when they go home they're going to avoid one another's calls for the next six months, leading up to another extra-long dinner.

Stencil: I am far too unsophisticated to even hazard a guess on this, but maybe the $15 tip was like a little nervous-makingly too much?

nabiscothingy, Monday, 21 February 2005 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not anything near a big tip!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been hearing about your big tips.

S!monB!rch (Carey), Monday, 21 February 2005 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

!!!!!!!!!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

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Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Monday, 21 February 2005 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not ridiculous or anything, Stencil, no, but, umm, well. Geez, am I the only one coasting comfortably on a dollar a drink rule? If I suddenly tripled that with any of my local bartenders I get the feeling they'd give me weird looks and think I thought I could get with them.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 21 February 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're not a known face, a big tip (I dunno if hstencil's qualifies in NY) can look like you're trying to buy them off for free drinks. Which can also mean you're working for management and might get them fired, as happened to a couple of my friends.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 21 February 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i gave them a dollar a drink for every drink previous.

my first night a guy i had never seen before, who is not a regular at my bar, gave me a $1000 tip.

you people are mental.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 February 2005 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Ever since I had to wait tables, I've become militantly pro-server. Fuck the customer; eat a full meal, eat fast, tip well for anything resembling decent service and never complain unless your order is completely wrong. I won't even eat with my immediate family now, every time they whine constantly about unimportant crap (not enough bread, etc.). I wouldn't mind so much except that it's the same complaints every time - sooner or later figure out that service at a chain (even with $20-25 PPAs) isn't going to be perfect. Just don't eat out if you're going to whine.

OTM.

Alternately I think you get a lot of pairs of women who don't see one another in forever and then pledge to catch up over a long dinner and then kinda momentarily fall in love with one another and bask in it, even though when they go home they're going to avoid one another's calls for the next six months, leading up to another extra-long dinner.

painfully otm and all too familiar.

But I have a problem with people, in any situation, who take full advantage of any given entitlement at the expense of other people just because they can.

totally ON THE FUCKING MONEY

christo and jeanne-claude (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 21 February 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Why should you eat FAST at a restaurant? You don't just go to a restaurant because you want different food, you go because you want to enjoy your food and not gobble it on your way to wherever else you have to go, and because you want to spend time in the company of the other person.

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

you don't have to eat fast, you just have to not be a douchebag.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm not talking speed-eating, I'm just saying don't make it a three hour meal and then tip $5.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

$15 extra a tip just for a round of 4 drinks!? You americans are insane. Nobody tips for anything here, though you can when paying at the end of a good meal of course (and I will, if I had good service).

But this idea of tipping for a freebie doesnt make any sense. If you're doing that it isnt a bloody freebie is it?

Sure I know its because your service staff are paid shit over there. I dont know what the pays like here but I don't doubt it is better.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

everybody tips here because waiters/waitresses/bartenders/etc. don't make minimum wage, as you said.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Not everyone tips $1000 though.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but they might tip $15 or more!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

While youre at it kill the ppl that always carry nothing but plastic when they know they're gonna be eating with a lot of friends thus paying a share, so after everyone's done there's like one or two people who throw their cards into the mix, sign two different bills after re-dividing the cash between themselves, just humiliating. WTF are you, fifteen years old at Denny's? Grow up and bring the paper, foo.

real adults bring plastics and pay for the lot.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I love the condescending, expecting tone of servers' reactions to ordering water as a beverage: "just water for you then?".
-- nickalicious (nickaliciou...), February 21st, 2005 1:19 PM.

I ordered water yesterday:
D: I'd like water.
W: With lemon or without?
D: No lemon.
W: OK, that's a water without lemon.
D: under breath No, that's a water.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's what I hate: You go to a restaurant that's very crowded and you have to wait, but there's no real place to stand. So, you're watching other people eat and you're basically standing over them, even though you wish you didn't have to. And then the people eating look annoyed at you, and when the servers have to get around you they say, "ExCUUUSE MEEEE..." like they mean to say, "Get out of my fucking way!"... so then you feel worse and all you wanted to do was sit down and eat some brunch.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate to get all culturally relativist here, but table bogarting etiquette all really depends on where you are. In France, where meals can take a long, languorous time, the house prices their food and pays their staff accordingly. It would be considered extremely bad form to rush people at table and the reviews and clientele (or lack thereof) would reflect that. However, in the U.S., restaurateurs reasonably do not expect people to stay that long and to do so without forewarning them is rude to the staff and the customers waiting.

There's an inexpensive little place I go to often called Chow that has very limited space for waiting and takes no reservations nor does the pager/cell thing but will come and find you at the next-door bar or bookstore.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

If a restaurant is so pissy as to book two sittings, just avoid it. Or do all US restaurants do this?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh it has little to do with bookings because most people don't reserve before they head out.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i just take dinner at the bar.

kephm, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Or do all US restaurants do this?

Do you mean 2 per evening?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yup.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha wow, what a different world.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah ALL restaurants do this (at least two.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

If a restaurant is so pissy as to book two sittings, just avoid it. Or do all US restaurants do this?

I don't understand the question?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Somehow I doubt that's the norm at every UK/European restaurant. Don't they have the equivalent of Chili's/Friday's (if not corporate)?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Not all restaurants in the U.S. do this, Alex, but you're going to a pretty swank place if they don't.

xpost

milo, I don't know about Britain but there are definitely faster, Bistro type places in France where people eat quicker, they're just not as ubiquitous/dominant as they are here.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Not all restaurants in the U.S. do this, Alex, but you're going to a pretty swank place if they don't."

You are TALKING really swank here. I doubt if I've been to a restaurant that didn't do this.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post: I waited on a couple who were regulars and was there the night they broke up at the restaurant. It actually made me sad. She came in first, ____ORDERED FOR BOTH____ and he came in (late) for like 5 minutes. When I came back, he was gone and she just asked me to pack up his untouched meal.

HARDCORE THRIFT, INDEED.

[CYNIC]., Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Most Americans don't even know what sittings are or how a place cycles. But there are only a handful of restaurants in the US with one sitting, even very high end places that feature 3+ hour meals will turn their tables with early reservations twice. There are a lot of mid-priced restaurants here that know they can pack in more people without taking reservations, so there's often a wait (and weight) problem. Of course, the smaller the restaurant and the larger the party the worse the problem, as just a couple of late tables can really screw wait times up.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha, this reminds me of some place I was at a few weeks ago in the west village. Half of us ate, half hadn't. So we all sit at a big table and explain to the very-new waiter. The boss comes over in with his tucked-in button-down and says "Okay, guys, look, I'll let you sit here but at 10, you have to move to the bar because it gets REALLY crowded and we only seat people who are eating."

At 10:30, no one was there besides us. You could hear the crickets chirping. The boss kept eyeing the table and I wanted so badly to stand up and remark on how "crowded" it was. Fucking focker.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Fleur de Lys averages 2 or 3 a night, I think. Postrio is more like 2 downstairs, or was, I haven't been in ages. When Elizabeth Daniel was open I'm pretty sure it was a 2 sittings a night kind of place. We were at dinner for at least 3 hours for an 8pm res. at Michael Mina's place which is pretty long by Merkin standards and essentially precluded any real dining after us.

xpost

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, someplace like Michael Mina would only book a second seating for a table if the first was at 5:30 or 6, esp. as there's no way of knowing whether the guest is doing a 3-course or a 6-course meal.

Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i used to work at this place in nyc called spice market (i got fired after 1 month). its a huge restaurant and had full seatings at 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, midnite... so it was a constant battle to hurry people thru their meals to clear it for the next seating. herd 'em in, herd 'em out. that place made a ton of money.


Hey, if it annoys you that I'm just going to come in for dessert or just appetizers, then why don't you put a big sign on your menu with a minimum order amount

um hi, what kind of asshole goes to a busy restaurant taking up an entire table just to get an ice cream?

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Most Americans don't even know what sittings are or how a place cycles.

so wrong.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

eighteen years pass...

That's it! I am bumping this thread as it contains the most restaurant complaining i can find on ilx.

Tonight I was pointedly berated by a customer. Here's what happened:

The table finished their two orders of mussels and wanted to take home the broth. Ok, this is somewhat common but we don't encourage it. It's actually pretty annoying as we don't have anything at hand to put liquid in. I offered him a foil to go container w lid and a bag.

He asked if there was a soup container. I said (precisely this) "I don't have access to that right now" as the soup containers are kept on the highest shelf in the kitchen, i had 6 other tables, and i am too short to reach them on my own and would have to bother another person to get one for me.
He asked our buser who is like 6'5" and has arms twice as long as mine and he brought the guy a soup container. Ok, everyone's happy.

Nope.

After all the people at the table got up, he came over to me with the cc receipt in his hands. He proceeded to tell me that I seemed like "a lovely person" but that I shouldn't tell people I don't know where something is (didn't do this actually), I should "not be lazy" and stop everything I'm doing and go do what the customer asked.

I said "thanks for your advice"

He kept talking, saying the same thing in like 3 different ways. I said "I'm sorry" and he said "I don't want you to be sorry or apologize"
I said "I don't know what you want me to say" I was very cool and emotionless. Mostly I wanted it to be over ASAP. I didn't react emotionally at all.

He said "I want you to say that you'll do this differently the next time someone asks for something"

I said "thank you for your advice"

Literally CANNOT BELIEVE how much this guy wanted to wound/hurt me/make me feel bad for telling him I was not able to access a soup container at that very moment.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 20 November 2023 01:28 (two years ago)

his face was red as he walked out of the restaurant

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 20 November 2023 01:28 (two years ago)

What a dick.

Also taking home mussel broth is kinda gross imo.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 20 November 2023 02:29 (two years ago)

this guy and all people like him are the worst.

and yeah, 95% chance he just ends up tossing the salty sipping broth in a few days that he made such a scene about.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Monday, 20 November 2023 02:34 (two years ago)

These kind of people never seem to learn any lessons themselves, they always have to be on the giving end.

Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 November 2023 02:39 (two years ago)

Lol @ everyone, thanks for the validation. I’ll add that they had food after the mussels and this was clearly something he had been harboring for most of the meal. I’ll probably never understood people who want to corner other people and make them feel bad. I’m grateful to be blessed to recognize it had nothing to do with me personally.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 20 November 2023 02:43 (two years ago)

Lol *understand

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 20 November 2023 02:43 (two years ago)

happy loving couples always keep on sitting
happy loving couples even though they paid
till the time when I can keep the hungry people waiting
those happy couples better not get laid

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 20 November 2023 02:48 (two years ago)

so he wanted you to affirm his belief that he has ultimate control over how you do your job?

reminds me of when people used to routinely harangue government employees with "i pay your salary". like, what, the whole thing? your signature is on my paychecks? well, shit, i'm not working for you anymore, you don't pay me enough to put up with your crap!

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 20 November 2023 03:01 (two years ago)

yeah, I got the "I pay your salary thing" a few times at a library job I used to have (quit last month) and I always wanted to give them a quarter and tell them they just got their money back and made a profit, which would have been accurate cause I did the math.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Monday, 20 November 2023 03:04 (two years ago)

I used to enjoy politely replying that I was a taxpayer too and therefore paid my own salary just as much as they were claiming too.

(REALLY enjoyed someone responding that they obviously earned more than me and therefore paid more of my salary than I did, and getting to ask if they were arguing that I ought to be paid more, or openly stating that this made their opinion on public service matters more important.)


Similarly enjoyed LL’s quiet equanimity in the above anecdote.

vashti funyuns (sic), Monday, 20 November 2023 03:36 (two years ago)

Today’s Maximum Asshole award goes to the brogrammer stereotype in the Whole Foods pickup lane who was lecturing the WF worker that “you should obviously know that Thanksgiving week will be busy as fuck so you should have more staff here.” Of course he was driving a Tesla that had a steering yoke. Incongruously, there was a smiling retriever mix in the back seat oblivious to it all. Sorry its owner is Max Asshole

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 02:41 (two years ago)

LL, guys like that customer are precisely why I decided I couldn't handle the industry anymore. it is completely controlling behavior, he just wanted to see you "humbled" because you didn't do what he wanted.

fuck him and fuck customers like that.

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 06:20 (two years ago)

LL sounds like a quiet man that gets the rare opportunity to shit on someone they feel bigger with in comparison

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 06:37 (two years ago)

serial killer vibes

flopson, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 06:43 (two years ago)

"i want you to SAY YOU LOVE SATAN"

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 06:45 (two years ago)

Should’ve got the chef to make a wee addition to the broth.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 November 2023 09:17 (two years ago)

The man's afflicted with chronic manager mindset. Whether someone wants it or not they're getting advice at how to SUCCEED at their CAREER.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 09:43 (two years ago)

This man was just a complete asshole. There are a lot of people who will do much less extreme versions of this but Jesus. I'm still not over asking for mussel broth wtf. I just to get annoyed when people would ask to take home half eaten bread but mussel broth?!

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 09:57 (two years ago)

I would have had a much easier time saying with earnest enthusiasm that I love Satan than supplicating to that fucking guy about his stupid mussel vessel.

I fully understand what the dynamic was and am still feeling good about myself for quietly counter-shaming him for shaming me so pointedly. He has no idea what I have seen or who I have dealt with in my life and he was a blip, a passing turd in the night.

As for Tesla bro, that's a classic complaining to the wrong person problem, like when people try to negotiate with me to order an item that is no longer on the menu. There's literally nothing I can do to make the wedge salad or steak come back, but let it all out sweety <3

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 14:46 (two years ago)

Mussel guy totally comes off as Mr Coercive Control

Tyler Perry's Cystitis (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 14:47 (two years ago)

Yes, totally. He is most certainly an emotionally abusive partner at the very least :(

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 14:48 (two years ago)

Drinking day-old mussel broth led to the brain atrophy imo

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 14:58 (two years ago)

I wonder if there's some sort of 700 pound, 8 foot tall hairless beast chained up in dude's basement that demands leftover mussel broth

a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 November 2023 16:27 (two years ago)


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