anyway i don't think we need to go over why blackface is offensive and whiteface is really not, but ymmv
so exactly where are you drawing the line here. is it offensive to photoshop someone as Chinese, for instance? or just any race but white?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
How is it not 51 yet?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
it's really too bad you can't sb from zing touch
― Clay, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
jon you really are the worst
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
racial politics are a continuum, there's no "one size fits all" policy. historical power dynamics are involved.
why am I bothering...
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
i...need to stop doing this, but frogbs are you saying that brian austin green mike vick is offensive to white people somehow?
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
there is that painful centuries-long tradition of depicting white men with goatees i guess
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
hmm
they BAG'ed Michael Vick
maybe that's what that line in "Bedrock" was talking about?
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
brian austin green mike vick!
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
so exactly where are you drawing the line here.
It's behind you.
― arch midwestern housewife named (Laurel), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs thinks I'm the worst, feel like I should get a badge to wear with pride or something
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
actually I kinda think it may be more offensive to black people
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
okay, then you didn't need to frame it in opposition to blackface
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
racial politics are a continuum, there's no "one size fits all" policy. historical power dynamics are involved.why am I bothering...
well, yeah, I'm just wondering if a national publication bringing up this sort of thing at all is just in bad taste even if the image itself isn't really going to offend anyone. they've already taken it off their website and the author of the article is going nuts on twitter trying to distance himself from it.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
I would sb espn the magazine too if I could fwiw
― Clay, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
so your defense is basically "just bringing you a lil bit of that 4chan experience, right here on ilx! *winks at the camera*"
or like, literally any other message board but this one
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
do you really not get it or do you just like it when people call you stupid? do you not recognize that in every context we'll likely be discussing, white people stand in a position of distinct advantage with respect to power dynamics? do you not see how that renders all your "how come it's offensive this way but not that way?" framings might seem remarkably stupid in light of said dynamics? dude seriously. just go fucking study this stuff someplace. it isn't hard.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
okay, so basically, "its okay to clown people if they have the power advantage over you"
i mean, you do understand that that really wasn't my point at all, and that i'm not arguing that whiteface is offensive to white people for whatever reason. and of course, you can and have taken liberties yourself to try and make me look dumb, but I'm not saying "how does this relate to white people" there at all, I mean I know it sorta ruins your diatribe there but seriously, even you can think of some scenario in which this dynamic doesn't really exist, can't you? i'm saying the idea of photoshopping any race into any other race is something that probably shouldn't be done on a national stage since it really does call these issues to mind and is going to be looked upon poorly even if the general concept of picturing Vick as a white guy isn't going to ruffle any feathers.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
Guys, what if frogbs was black.
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
Thnk about it.
just to clarify, if they had photoshop blackfaced Tom Brady I'm sure a lot of people would have a problem with it
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:39 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:10 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
do you see how if you post the above, your rhetoric sounds a lot like trolling "how come it's only okay to call out racism against black people" stuff, right? add that to your posting history. honestly, your language when you post about race itt is vague and sounds like you're uncomfortable and confused: "certain races" "call these issues to mind" and if you're not trolling, i think aero is right and you should maybe just learn some more.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
even you can think of some scenario in which this dynamic doesn't really exist, can't you?
what dynamic are you referring to here?
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
What if frogbs was black... in my vagina?
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
Do you really want me to go into detail there? If we asked, what if Ichiro was from the Dominican Republic, and then photoshopped him as such, what would the response be? It sounds like racist trolling because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
smdh at frogbs getting into the exact same tizzy every single week and then going all "what? what did I do?"
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
it sounds like racist trolling because it's rhetoric one million racist trolls have employed before
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
It sounds like racist trolling because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think.
― frogbs, Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i'm glad that we've entered the full OPEN YOUR EYES, SHEEPLE portion of the thread
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
I can also imagine a world in which giraffes can sing. however, said world doesn't really inform the choices I make in how I express myself, because that world is fantasy-land.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
It isn't just this thread he's been pulling this stuff in either, though. He's managed to hang around surprisingly long.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
aero, you only think that giraffes can't sing because that's what you've conditioned yourself to think
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp - i mean really, does anyone have any arguments other than "you've posted questionable stuff before, therefore we must assume the worst of everything you've posted"?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
YOU DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
send your thanks to the low-content brigade
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
you never have an argument just these pseudoprovocative observations
http://www.ourclassweb.com/projects/webquest_frogs_tongue.jpg
― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
open your eyes. also stretch your necks.
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
yes, you're right, ESPN must have just misplaced the .jpg, that's why they took it down
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
seriously frogbs you wanna save yourself some trouble? just take ~absolutely everybody~'s word for it that you don't know what you're talking about when the subject of race comes up. adopt a beginner's mind to the subject. assume that whatever you think, you're wrong, and cheerfully accept the group consensus about it.
or keep up your "racist? I'm just saying!" schtick and get banned again, it really doesn't matter, whatever floats your boat
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
they didn't take it down iirc
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
i meant all your "what if tom brady in blackface" "what if ichiro was dominican" eh? eh? deep thoughts
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
omg PP :-D
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
adopt a beginner's mind to the subject.
this is good advice for lots of things
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
they took it down then put it back up when everyone was like "uh, you can't just pretend that you put up an illustration of michael vick as a white person"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
NEW TOPIC:
This class description is from from the local adult-education center.
In this course, we'll examine the impact of white privilege and how being unaware of that advantage helps perpetuate racism. We'll discuss short readings and share everyday situations in which we did not speak up against racial bias. Using role-plays, we'll develop effective ways to speak up. While this course welcomes everyone, its focus is on the role of white people in dismantling racism and building a just society. Participants will be guided in developing specific plans for challenging racism in their workplace, organizations, communities, or personal circles, and will be encouraged to seek out and develop relationships with people in their lives who can provide support and serve as allies in efforts to address racism. This workshop is participatory, with a variety of inspiring readings, video clips, and activities. Limited to 15.
In the course catalogue, there's a caveat after that copy: "While this class is open to anyone, it is particularly designed to help white people ... " or something like that. I mean, I just don't even know what to ...
― a long time ago i used to be snush (remy bean), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha xp
― zvookster, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
aero - explain in your own words then why the pic was taken down, why it's such a big deal, and why the author tried so hard to distance himself from it. it's not ~absolutely everybody~, it's a selective group of white people with a tendency to make clusterfucks out of non-issues. in other words, maybe look around the internet a bit and see what they're saying?
i mean the thread title is "Is This Racist?" isn't it? shouldn't you be calling out every single poster in here if they're not sure?
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
The title of the class is WHITE PEOPLE CONFRONTING RACISM
Point missed completely. Well done.
xp
― Vaginalogue Bubblebath (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
lol you're hopeless. "look around the internet, maybe listen to some racists? there are places that don't ban people for racist garbage, go hear what those people have to say!"
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://blackfrogmusic.com/pics/sturgis.jpg
― buzza, Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link