Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

yeah

Tho if he really wanted to push rvp and nasri up to the 120k + club he's fuckin cracked

And if he really thinks a 30m winger on similar wages is the priority then he's fuckin cracked

So, no, tbh, in that slashfic piece the board is otm

And if he really thinks a 30m winger on similar wages is the priority then he's fuckin cracked

Wouldn't have been a priority last year, might be now given that Arsenal look short of creativity with Fabregas gone, Nasri nearly gone, Arshavin half-arsed, Rosicky knackered and Walcott shite.

Not a good day for the professor.

Have bookies stopped taking bets on Oxlade-Chamberlain being sent off on his debut yet?

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/General/01/66/08/05/1660805_w2.jpg

"AW"

http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s378/st170548.htm

Chris posted this on the other thread - not sure how this could have got out, but has the ring of truth imo.

which clubs are paying their players £120k at the moment who'd want to buy van persie?

Malaga?

those russian guys as well

Well, if you wanna swap him for Joe Cole I wouldn't say no.

lol yeah who would want to spend 2/3 of what adebayor is on for last season's most potent premier league striker

in response to n1ck: you never heard of divorce? sometimes leaving the one you love is the only way to a healthy life.

sure chris's article could be true but it doesn't explain why emery came out and said we never actually lodged a bid and so on. no-one is going to take 80k if you never get around to offering it to them in the first place.

sam, it wasn't so much what you said, as how you said it. "it is time to push him and the borad out the door" is not the same as admitting to yourself that it's not working out and, if that's how you feel, that changes need to be made. i'm also pretty sure the divorce analogy is not great because i don't think we'd be better off without any manager at all than in an, apparently, dysfunctional relationship with the one we've got. if you are going down that route though, i'd rather we gave marriage counselling a try before giving up on the whole thing.

that article does ring true to me, reinforcing my view that there's always more going on behind the scenes than we can possibly know and that things are never as simple as spendsomefuckingmoney.com would like us to think. wenger's a company man and is basically being crucified by the fans for not bitching out the board instead. no danger of 'arry (or pretty much any other manager you can name) being so discrete.

At some point you just have to admit that Man City and Chelsea are completely fucking you when it comes to wages and there's nothing you can do to compete. Man United have done fine largely because of Fergie and they're probably still able to comfortably outpay Arsenal if they want to.

not that i can recall the deets but doesnt that article contradict pretty much every statement wenger's made over the last 7 years

i like how in the comments the author comes back to say "OH YEAH UM wenger no longer has any faith in ffp being enforced so now he's saying fuck it"

At some point you just have to admit that Man City and Chelsea are completely fucking you when it comes to wages and there's nothing you can do to compete. Man United have done fine largely because of Fergie and they're probably still able to comfortably outpay Arsenal if they want to.

― Matt DC, Monday, 22 August 2011 12:21 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is bollocks, isnt everyone's main beef with wenger not that he won't pay top whack for megastars but that he's seemingly ignored (/completely lost the knack with) polishing up midrange dudes

like if he'd signed a few vidal/inler/m'vila/martin/vertonghens and said we won't pay stupid money then they'd be genuinely competitive and no one would be grousing

It's not bollocks if Arsenal fans are going "wah we can't sign [X player who's been massively hyped all summer]". But yeah point taken in that there are a lot of players round Arsenal who aren't improving anywhere near as quickly as you'd expect.

Vidal/Wilshere/Ramsey MF wd be colossal.

yeah agree w/ rtc

vidal and enrique went for lowish fees and would demonstrably improve this arsenal side

could have got vidal, inler, and defour for the price of 1x nasri

could get banega or maybe gago for 1x clichy

how long does banega have on his contract? he is really first rate and probably going to cost more than that

summer 2013 but i was just going with the circa £10m paper talk there tbf

that was my point re 30m wingers, yeah

A couple of cb's that were worth 12m would be a sounder purchase, those guys dont cost 80k pw

How much is Phil Jones on now? I think Redknapp mentioned that his wages put him out of Spurs' reach.

Re. that piece I posted - isn't Mata only (lol) going to be on £55k/wk at Chelsea? Surely Arsenal's wage structure would allow that?

Obviously wanted us to win on Saturday, but kind of horrible to see Wenger like that. Nice to see him and KD shake hands at the start of the match btw, after 'piss off-gate' an' all.

I reckon Jones would be on around 50k a week

So what's thought to be holding up the Nasri deal at this point?

payment to agents of 3m

wenger wouldn't answer his emails.

Rumour is that Nasri's got heart trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_NVzvUfvlM

iirc correctly the difference between the CL group stages and the Europa League in UEFA payouts alone is about 6m euros. I wonder if two different Nasris are on the block right now, one of them cup-tied.

Surprise, surprise, Howard Webb is reffing the Utd vs Arsenal game on Sunday. Won't be the reason why we lose, but still.

he won't be the difference if you win, the effing see

Weird that n1ck thinks i want no manager. Ok the divorce analogy may have caused that but...? To take out the stale PHW-led board, give Kroenke-Glazidis full control and if Wenger is... allowed to leave for PSG, lets say, replace him with... I dunno- De Boer? Klinsmann?* It's not like it is a horrible job no exciting manager will touch. If you are there over the next ten years you'll see the debt be finished in time for lolffp, the rise of Wilshere and Ramsey and so on.

*Ok someone less Spursy.

Coyle. You want Coyle.

...I think he could be good at steadying the ship tbh...

Wilshere, Gervinho, RVP, (lol Nasri), Djourou and Song could all be in the first xi for Udinese. Looks a lot different to the team at the weekend, with more creativity, links between midfield and attack, Tommy and Gervinho on the left means we will be able to play on the whole pitch again and defensive stability. Just have to see if morale is the killer factor - a convincing win is incredibly important going into Utd. (Also Spurs making the new Utd back 5 look even more uneasy tonight.)

hodgson surely deserves a shot at it.

surely Arsenal won't risk the lucrative Nasri deal by putting him in the line-up for Udinese

xp lol was just about to say I'd love Hodgson to go there.

qualifying is a lot more important than selling someone.

Steve Bruce could surely be tempted

God, imagine that. Nasri would throw his toys out of the pram to such a ridiculous extent.

Really really wanna watch Udinese but I think the lure of Exeter in the Carling Cup is just too hard to turn down.

Nasri still has value for City, or ought to, even if he can only play in the league - still their top priority, right? Making the CL group stages is itself worth a lot of money and prestige for Arsenal.

xposts a convincing win, seriously? A 2-1 loss and advancement on away goals would be a huge victory at this point I think.

A team with Vermaelan, RVI, Gervinho and Wilshere should be able to pull off a convincing win. This is still a team with incredible talent, much like Liverpool a year ago was. It is just what happens on the pitch with it and how you work the less talented parts of it that will factor in. We beat Utd without Cesc a couple months ago and if some how we can have a morale-boost in the next coming days, are still able to do so again.

Did Joel Campbell get a work permit?

This is still a team with incredible talent, much like Liverpool a year ago was

i can remember everyone saying this at the time.

tho my sarcasm aside arsenal prob have a better squad than liverpool did a year ago, the problem areas aren't that hard to see you'd say.

lol

Weird that n1ck thinks i want no manager.

No-one thinks you want no manager but at that point you hadn't named any candidates at all and still haven't made any viable suggestions. Expressing frustration is one thing but Wenger leaving would be a much bigger deal and more difficult task to accomplish than would replacing the manager at pretty much any other club bar United. While Wenger may not last the season it's not going to be an overnight departure and certainly no-one's getting pushed out the door any time soon.

Why is De Boer not a viable suggestion?

Because he has a job which he's been in for five minutes and hasn't, to my knowledge, expressed any dissatisfaction about?