2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

I heard he remembered an unusual large amount of details, of nearly every single kill he did... They were on the island for nearly 8 hours, filmed everything and it's supposed to be an important part of the court case against him.

It's a practical way to check the story for inconsistencies, time frame, details investigators couldn't have found out by themselves (guy says he moved the couch but can't move it by himself during the reconstruction = he wasn't alone) etc

i'm just thinking that in the wake of columbine/VT/etc there were countless "reenactments"/timelines on the news. so it's def SOP to gather operational forensics (or something). also bear in mind (if you can stomach it) that most of the ppl that could have provided statements on how exactly breivik did what he did were executed. not really the case for other spree shootings that happened in v public places

xps

oh it makes sense, it's just weird seeing it and i've never heard it being done here (reconstructions in the UK tend to be actors' recreating the last movements of people who have gone missing - at least, those are the ones that get reported)

Aren't actors mostly used when a crime isn't solved yet? To try and re-enact the situation in order to get clues?

Or for daft tv shows.

i'm pretty sure in the US they just do recreations with interviews & diagrams & stuff. i guess we'll see with the ft hood shooter or the gabby giffords shooter? idk. highly doubt that they're gonna bring either of those guys back out to the scenes. not saying that either way is better or worse, just that i've never seen this.

anyway point is, calling it weird and insensitive or w/e is...also weird. while i don't necessarily want to know the details personally, i think it's important that the courts know as much as possible, both for building a case and for future investigation/prevention

but yeah, def weird to ~see~ this monster walking around on a tether, acting out an atrocity

xp again, with the ft hood/giffords shooters, most of what happened was out in the open and witnessed by a lot of ppl. utoeya is relatively isolated in comparison

hey--jordan--no need to curse, okay?

my apologies, i know it's been tough for belgium

thought this was really out of the ordinary when i heard about it earlier

ok, fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gg-v5xuTgs

this dickhead is at his arraignment atm

live on tv here. the dickhead actually cried when they showed his youtube in court.

^ A Ken Livingstone moment or what?

Amazing that "dickhead" was exactly the word that came into my head when I saw this thread title

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/16/11220262-anders-breivik-to-norway-court-i-killed-77-people-but-am-not-guilty

As he arrived in court - the early part of the session was broadcast on television - Breivik gave a salute, raising his arm with his fist clenched.

He said that he did not "acknowledge the authority of the court."

"I do not recognize the Norwegian courts. You have received your mandate from political parties which support multiculturalism. I do not acknowledge the authority of the court," Breivik said.

Breivik appeared impassive as the list was read and appeared to smile when the court was shown a picture of his avatar from the internet game, World of Warcraft, Sky News reported.

However, he became emotional and appeared to be wiping away tears when a 12-minute video that he made prior to the killings was shown to the court.

lol

appeared to be wiping away tears when a 12-minute video that he made prior to the killings was shown

No doubt he was overcome with emotion recalling how, back when he'd made that video, the massacre of the multi-culuralists and their spawn was still just a long-held dream. So much could have gone wrong. He had fretted his days away, worrying, planning, hoping. But in the end, he had triumphed!

This guy is self-made evil.

he is so incredibly thick.

Dangerously thick!

the last two posts in this thread have been nommed for understatement of the month awards

"I have carried out the most spectacular and sophisticated attack on Europe since World War II,"

Dickhead

“July 22, wasn’t about me. July 22 was a suicide attack. I wasn’t expecting to survive that day,” he said. “A narcissist would never have given his life for anyone or anything.”

Asked why he started crying in court on Monday, when prosecutors showed an anti-Muslim film that Breivik posted on YouTube before the attacks, he said: “I was thinking about Norway and Europe, which are ruled by politicians and journalists killing our country. I was thinking that my country is dying.”

Guy's not insane, he's stupid

he's both

Where can you place this guy in terms of diagnosis for mental illness though?

Honest question.

murderous sociopath?

Okay, he is a murderer and a sociopath. Does he show any sign of being 'not guilty by reasons of insanity'? The coverage on the news focused on the forensic psychiatrists overseeing the trial. I was thinking about whether this is a factor? I really don't know anything about this.

depends on whether you believe can personally kill 77 ppl for your wider political beliefs while being sane, i suppose

The most recent psychiatric evaluation at least called him "accountable", which apparently meant he wasn't "psychotic" at the time of the crime.

yeah, i'm happy calling him insane, but not legally insane. i.e., the nature of his crimes makes him de facto crazyperson in my book, but he's not a gibbering loon, not so out to lunch that he wasn't aware of the moral and legal significance of his actions.

not so out to lunch that he wasn't aware of the moral and legal significance of his actions.

yeah I would think this is the sticking point, legally speaking. but I dunno anything about Norwegian criminal law/insanity pleas.

he's not a gibbering loon, not so out to lunch that he wasn't aware of the moral and legal significance of his actions.

^^^ This is the main point, really; dude knew and understood the consequences of his actions (in fact, he was attempting to avoid them via the whole "suicide mission" angle) but decided to do this anyway.

i read that his *defense* team is arguing that he is sane - why would they want to do that?

dude's reasoning is that being deemed insane invalidates his political goals

sanity = martyrdom for the cause, by his reckoning

norwegian foibles mean insanity could be permanent whereas murder is capped at 21 yrs

wow no life imprisonment for mass murder?! that's ... insane

Yeah the max was like 20 iirc??

20 yrs, obv.

does that 20 years hold for even 77 deaths?

iirc yeah its 21 yrs tops lol legal systems based on treatment/redempion obv

Not this again.. he won't be let out, ever, no matter if he's deemed insane or not. Should be pretty clear by now.

(sorry, i missed the conversation the first time it went around, genuinely baffled at that number right now)

i read that the 21 years thing can be indefinitely extended though there wasn't any detail about the process for that - maybe for "capital crimes" everyone gets something like a parole board hearing?

the court could also sentence Breivik under a provision called "preventive detention," which also has a maximum of 21 years but can be prolonged in five year increments after that -- which means the court can detain Breivik indefinitely after his sentence if he is found to be a continued threat to the public.

there you have it, virtual life sentence

Maybe he'd rather be in a regular prison than in a mental hospital?

But with a chance of reversal every 5 years? It seems like that would never, ever happen, but...? Clearly he thinks it's preferable to being found unsane?