Katrina's aftermath

it will take a long time, if the communities hit by ivan last year are any indication.

I think that's the way nature wanted it all along. Lake Pontchartrain is getting its way.

Although, while we all know better, there shouldn't be any finality re: sentiments relating to the city of New Orleans itself. This tragedy is unprecedented no doubt.. this is not unlike what happened in Anchorage in 1964 (The 9.0 Prince William Sound earthquake that pretty much devastated the city, even though the quake itself was relatively far away.).. but Anchorage is alive today. New Orleans is hangin' on and will remain alive.

This scientist says global warming has nothing to do with it. Der Spiegel says Katrina is emblematic of future environmental catastrophes.

Conclusion: expect this to be politicized in the following weeks and months.

Conclusion 2: this might be worthy of a separate thread.

Explain how this is unprecedented?

I mean, I've been through really mean earthquakes in L.A., but none of them ever "destroyed" L.A.

(Not to discount the large number of very small cities that get smashed by tornadoes every year.. )

(And, duh, not to discount the tsunami from half a year ago, which still dwarfs Katrina's aftermath.. as painful as it looks right now.)

Not that I want to turn this into a pet issue or anything, but it seems so obvious to me. Hurricane season is FUCKING BRUTAL every year now.
Incidentally, the Central Pacific Hurricane Season will actually be below average this year. Only two or three storms are projected to form there.

Well, it's pretty unprecedented for New Orleans, for starters.

Well, it's not Babylon. It takes a lot to kill a city. But it's fucking devastated, that's all I'm saying.

My God, who does? Who wants their friends and loved ones, or ANYONE'S friends and loved ones, to be fucking weather refugees? Or worse?

which is why the "our tsunami" rhetoric bugs me -- what, are we ENVIOUS of their disaster? do we need to reappropriate it so we can turn the sympathy we extended to them back upon ourselves? i mean, i realize this is a major catastrophe, but people were saying "our tsunami" before anything even happened.

I can't get either right now, though really I'm not too surprised...

also, how long before the early statements of "Oh don't worry; we've got ALL the National Guard we need" are visibly disproven?

Conclusion: expect this to be politicized in the following weeks and months.

...and will come up during next year's election cycle, when people start pointing figures about slashed funding, lack of troops, etc

i say it with wuv. i do think your unrepentant anglophilia is a little quirky, but hey, so is madonna's.

I was in for a while, but cut it off. You're not missing anything major. It's a bunch of clueless local newscasters. The one woman who kept pointing to a barbecue she saw as evidence of the local spirit, again and again, despite protests that that they were only doing it to get their food warm for a change... she pissed me off.

haha

they'll get funding coming out of their eyeballs. this'll be an opportunity for bush et al to prove how much they care about WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT HERE AT HOME (tm).

Also, to cook up as much stuff from the freezer before it goes bad, probably.

i know. i was saying before that they remind me of those swinging cages on coney island's wonder wheel.

also, how long does a hurricane last? how long will it be before these people can return to their homes (what's left of them anyways)?

That was pointed out, too. But no, it's spirit! Talking point! She wants to work for Fox someday.

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(Quick note, Gem -- these questions at least were answered with various links up above, so scan through before asking! )

luck of the draw, but like I said, don't bother. No insight there, no breaking news. Buncha local news morons throwing around big hunks of obviousness.

Jimmy Mod, didn't you see the invisible capo on the first fret of teh Prez's guitar?

I did!

Climate Instability + Current Political Situation = Ruin

it's estimated that 1.3 million people live in the new orleans metropolitan area. only 2.6 million people live in all of mississippi, which includes areas not damaged by katrina.

what is a realistic estimate of people who are now homeless?

i don't know if there has been a realistic estimate at this point, across louisiana, mississippi and alabama.

also, how long does a hurricane last?

depends. katrina's dissipated from hurricane strength by this point. the flooding's the bigger issue now.

how long will it be before these people can return to their homes (what's left of them anyways)?

depends. for some it may be months.

Jimmy Mod, didn't you see the invisible capo on the first fret of teh Prez's guitar?

It's in the key of 'F'...

"There's a war that needs to be fought and won in America first. The war against nature."

Gem, it's being said that at least 1,000,000 might be homeless.

Do you realize that two of the "newscasters" were unashamedly wearing trucker caps? I don't want to seem classist or give any lack of sympathy to anyone, but please, these are not anchormen. Stop looking to Louisiana newscasters for information. Even now.

erm, i did 'scan' through - most reports seem to conflict on some of those issues and i haven't seen anything on population. i thought this was the thread to ask such questions. guess not, sorry.

Shit is *really* gonna fly:

8:04 P.M. - Mayor Nagin: Unhappy that the helicopters slated to drop 3,000-pound bags into the levee never showed up to stop the flow of water. Too many chiefs calling shots he says.
7:59 P.M. - Mayor Nagin: Pumps at 17th street canal has failed and water will continue pouring into the city. Nine feet of water is expected on St. Charles Avenue that will be nine feet high. Water is expected to spread throughout the east bank of Orleans and possibly Jefferson Parish.

This afternoon I reached Phil Frasier of the Rebirth Brass Band at his hotel room in Atlanta, where he has fled with his family from his home in the flooded Gentilly area of New Orleans. Three members of the band are still in the city, and Frasier hasn't reached them yet. He says the group still plans on keeping its September 10 date at the Cabooze in Minneapolis, though you might not want to hold your breath. As I speak to him, he has the news on in the background.

Any news about the Treme [neighborhood, reputed birthplace of jazz]?

Last I heard it was underwater. We've always lived in the Treme, but we all moved out of the Treme [in recent years], you know.

Before all this, your [soon-to-be] wife was organizing the Soulja Slim Hip-Hop Festival. Could you tell me about that?

The stuff that she was doing, it was called the Silence the Violence Festival. It was in honor of our son, who was the victim of a crime, he was murdered three years ago. What she was doing was trying to do something positive by putting on that festival, to help our kids, and maybe if she could reach out to someone, so that nobody else would fall victim, or to tell them that them that that's not the way to go. We were going to give out school supplies, bring a bunch of bands, and get guest speakers.

Seems like New Orleans will need more than a benefit now. Are you thinking of doing something like that?

Yeah. Soon as I regroup with my band, we'll put everything on the table and decide where we'll go from here.

I've been hearing for years about how the levees need to be looked at. Is anybody down there angry about this?

Oh, yeah. Including myself. I mean, they knowed the storms was coming, and the levees were built back in the '60s and '70s. I guess they were just putting the money in other places. But they should have put the money to save the city, save the people.

An uprising at Orleans Parish Prison and widespread looting contributed to a deteriorating situation in Louisiana's largest city Tuesday in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina Tuesday, according to witnesses and second-hand accounts from evacuees.

The problem is being compounded, officials said, by a breakdown in the ability of public agencies to communicate with one another, said New Orleans City Council President Oliver Thomas.

Thomas said he confirmed with New Orleans police that an uprising - and possible “hostage situation” - took place at the parish prison sometime late Monday or early Tuesday. Details were sketchy, but Thomas believes the uprising took place when prisoners were being evacuated in the storm's aftermath.

It's not clear how many prisoners were involved, or how many hostages were taken, as Thomas said he has been unable to contact police since evacuating to Baton Rouge on Tuesday. Cell phones are not working.

“The most frustrating thing about this whole thing has been communication,” Thomas said. “We have to devise a better system.”

Thomas said one report he received had a deputy being held hostage with his four children. Thomas said he was trying to verify the situation Tuesday evening.

He said looting has also escalated and an atmosphere of lawlessness has developed as police resources have been almost entirely devoted to search-and-rescue operations for people trapped by floodwaters on roofs and in attics. “Widespread looting is taking place in all parts of the city” - from uptown and Canal Street to areas around the housing projects, Thomas said.

“People are going in and out of businesses at Louisiana and Claiborne (avenues), taking clothes, tennis shoes and goods,” Thomas said. “It is inconceivable to me how people can do this.”

“People are leaving the Superdome to go to Canal Street to loot,” Thomas said. “Some people broke into drug stores and stole the drugs off the shelves. It is looting times five. I'm telling you, it's like Sodom and Gomorrah.”