2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

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i can understand stupid ppl being like OMG TERRORIST at this but is anybody currently undecided about o vs hillary gonna take clintons side because of this? they are desperate as fuck!!

daria bailed out of this thread just in time. "Fail to defend the indifensible" etc

maybe not now but in the ge :-/ xp

if anything hillarys driving a stake in her own career w/ this shit, folks arent gonna be so quick to forgive this kind of dirty trick bs

yeah but thats what im saying - im sure it could influence undecideds between mccain & obama, but not clinton & obama!! so why is she doing mccain's dirty work right now!?!

yeah i had been capn save-a-hillary with my obamaniac friends for months now but with this news today i seriously resolve not to vote for her

luckily it looks like i wont have the option

I'm glad we're learning about all these amazing political skills in the primary not the general. HillaryCo doesn't seem to understand that the reason Bush gets away with this shit is because Bush is speaking the lines, not Rove.

and because they run all their bullshit through a red-face test first

m sure it could influence undecideds between mccain & obama, but not clinton & obama!! so why is she doing mccain's dirty work right now!?!

-- and what, Monday, February 25, 2008 11:29 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

This. And I've also been a capn-save-a-hillary.

what makes anyone think that clinton's people are behind this photo??

Uh because her camp failed to deny it, and the statement they did release seems hilariously disingenuous?

Drudge said so; ClintonCo has tacitly admitted or at least not denied it

reality has a known obama bias

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/030506colbert.jpg

Next debate should be fun.

yea i'm seriously amazed at how poorly HRC's campaign has been run, i mean come on! this whole thing was supposed to be a cake-walk! (the primary, at least) i don't know how anyone could have thought this would be a smart move (assuming it was a move at all, were staffers just circulating the photo among themselves, not to the press?)

in any case, the blunders of hilz' campaign have been pretty astounding -- the money/funds-handling stupidity, bill's comments in SC, the complete failure to engage in/understand caucus states, the lack of a post-2/5 plan, the various leaks/drama among staff, the total lack of a clear message/presentation of hillary, etc.

just from a tactical viewpoint alone, i think the fact that her campaign has been so poorly managed could be reason enough to vote for her. nothing she has done has really indicated at all that she could run a fierce and competitive general election campaign.

contrast all that with how smoothly obama's campaign has been run -- the fundraising behemoth, the grassroots support, the incredible on-the-ground organization, the consistent messaging and clear presentation of the candidate.

Obama should wear a Whitewater t-shirt and a Monsanto cap for that next debate.

were staffers just circulating the photo among themselves, not to the press?

time well spent!

drudge: clinton people behind photo
obama people: wtf is with the clinton people behind this photo
clinton people: what's the big deal with us being behind this photo
tracer: what makes anyone think that clinton's people are behind this photo??

from the Times yesterday

“She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear,” said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. “When she’s on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, ‘I don’t want to hear it; I don’t need to hear it.’ I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

that remind you of anyone else in politics?

oh i see - clinton people didn't specifically deny it. it's just weird - for all the reasons 'and what' mentioned it makes no sense. for me, given drudge's history with the clintons, it seems like exactly the kind of right-wing shit-stirring designed to push people buttons and get the pigeons all atwitter and fighting amongst themselves.

A spry Farrakhan sings Obama's praises :(

fuck this shit

^^^^ This.

man people like Farrakhan need to realize that the best way for them to support anyone is to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

i dont think farrakhan's support will hurt obama

maybe not, but it can't help.

It's probably the best time for this dumb stuff to circulate: he's the likely nominee, and at the same time he isn't running against McCain (or TBA) yet.

Better now than a month ago or in September.

it seems like exactly the kind of right-wing shit-stirring designed to push people buttons and get the pigeons all atwitter and fighting amongst themselves.

Wrong the first part:

A few thoughts on this Obama photo that was circulated by the Clinton campaign, published on the Drudge Report. The first is that it is a sign of the desperation of Team Clinton. The second is that it is pretty nasty stuff, with its "he’s a Muslim and it should bother you" undertone. For the record, Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim, and the photo should not bother anyone (I recall President Bush had to wear some pretty wild outfits when he attended the APEC summits). And third, this will backfire in a big way. Twenty-four hours from now I suspect we’ll see virtually the entire Democratic establishment, and many others, condemning this tactic. It’ll advance the storyline that the Clinton campaign is spinning out of control – lurching from melancholy valedictory comments one day to faux outrage the next – and in its dying days.

During tomorrow evening’s debate, Hillary Clinton will be on the defensive and very much regret this stupid and ugly effort.

you missed

Other than that, it was a swell idea.

02/25 11:59 AM

it will backfire among progressives. among conservatives and likely independents it will only continue this new accepted wisdom of obama as trojan horse, which is not only being spread by yr uncle (10000% chance the photo becomes a part of the obama jihad email) but by the ap now as well. again: fuck this shit.

i'm going to make "obama jihad" t-shirts

oh god i knew by boy spengler would come through at some point and holy shit does he ever:

Obama's women reveal his secret
By Spengler

"Cherchez la femme," advised Alexander Dumas in: "When you want to uncover an unspecified secret, look for the woman." In the case of Barack Obama, we have two: his late mother, the went-native anthropologist Ann Dunham, and his rancorous wife Michelle. Obama's women reveal his secret: he hates America.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

i don't even care who originally sent it. the fact that maggie williams is fucking playing it up with that incredibly ill-conceived quote is just as infuriating. obama is gonna have to run through a perfect storm of racism/xenophobia/jingoism to win this election. i honestly think this shit might sink him.

WOW @ went-native anthropologist!

i dunno ygs - the republicans have a lot of cranky old fucks still working for them, people who opposed desegregation - i think we ain't see nothin yet

YGS: It might sink him, but I think Obama will handle it better than any losing Democratic presidential nominee of my generation (Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry). Those guys were passive; Obama, by contrast, seems much more savvy to me.

Doesn't mean he'll win. I think he'll lose to McCain. But I think he'll acquit himself well in response to this nonsense.

"(assuming it was a move at all, were staffers just circulating the photo among themselves, not to the press?)"

uh yeah the clinton campaign privately going LOL LOOK AT THIS DARKIE SOMALIA ROFL is actually more offensive to me than circulating it with the rovian intent

i think we have all known all along that this country was too fucking scared, too fucking nervous and upset about being made to feel uncomfortable to really take a chance on anything other than the typical red-blooded american male, and it's really coming out now. what we will hear for the next six months are arguments shooting off the michelle obama line, this ap story, and all of the rest. for an uninformed voter -- and god fucking knows that's almost all of them -- it's an easy shorthand to comprehend, so much easier than mccain's lobbying trysts or anything else. and the media, in a bid for fairness/appealing to those middle american voters who scare them so much, will play this shit up with rhetorical questions and more bullshit articles like the post's piece on obama the muslim. this shit is broken.

Meanwhile, is Ron Paul back? If McCain somehow gets disqualified for breaking his own campaign financing law, maybe he's in with a chance?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/paul.html

WTF guys? "Oh shit, they have an angle of attack. We'd better just give up before the GE starts so we don't feel too disappointed again."

Meanwhile, is Ron Paul back?

haha I misread this as "is Ron Paul black?"

aw thats the democratic party i know & love!

I think it's time for John Edwards' closeup

the Elder has spoken:

BILL KRISTOL: Look, she needs to take Obama down, but the way to take him down is not to have a debate on his tactics. That’s the huge mistake here. “Shame on you, you’re running a campaign inconsistent with your message, you’re a little misleading in some leaflet you’re distributing, some flyer on health care” — that’s ludicrous at this point.

He’s riding a wave of euphoria. She needs to puncture it. The way you puncture euphoria is reality or, to be a little more blunt, fear. And I recommend to Senator Clinton the politics of fea

"the politics of fear"

the politics of dancing

He thought The Power of Nightmares was meant as a compliment to his dad.

i picture bill kristol helping his kid with his science fair project in the same way: "listen, joey, i just don't *fear* these sea monkeys enough..."

Well they are creepy, those anthropomorphized bastards.