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Are Lewis and Harris kind of like Haiti and the Dominican Republic?

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

I thought he was going to laugh.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

Ah yes, Dumbarton - capital of whisky and birthplace of David Byrne, thereby enabling Dougie Donnelly to announce them as "Scotland's Talking Heads" every time he played them on Radio Clyde (cf. "Glasgow's Simple Minds," "Glasgow's Set The Tone," etc.).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

Are Lewis and Harris kind of like Haiti and the Dominican Republic?

Yes, but instead of voodoo they have the Wee Frees.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

I thought they were mostly Jungle Jims* up there

(*Tims**)
(**Catholics)

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

I think Barra and South Uist are largely Catholic, but Lewis and Harris are *heavily* Wee Free-dominated, as is Western Isles Regional Council.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

i want to go there

dahlin (dahlin), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Western Isles Regional Council
Aye, Catholics wouldn't have an acronym that sounded too much like 'work'.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Ravenscraig park in Kirkcaldy is better than Pittencrieff Park. Just walk the coastal path between Dysart harbour and Ravenscraig castle. It's great.
Then again I may be slightly biased, given that I went High School a two minute walk from there...

Greig (treefell), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

David Byrne
Associates
Altered Images
Josef K
The Wake
Cocteau Twins
JaMC
Gregory's Girl
Local Hero
Ratcatcher

The Scottish people I know
My Scottish name (I'm an Ian Nicholas partially because it was the seventh most popular name in Scotland and my parents loved it)

When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a moray! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

carnegie built libraries all over scotland including where I grew up

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

OK, this was going to happen eventually.

Fitba:

If there's dominating factor in the Scottish persona, it's probably the love of football. (Apart from those who don't, but they're poofs and we don't talk about them) But let's get one thing out of the way - SCOTTISH FOOTBALL IS PISH.

The heyday of Scottish football was probably right at the very beginning. A Scottish club (Renton, who became Alexandria, who became Dumbarton) won the first ever world competition. Lord Roseberry's XI, in their pink and orange stripes, invented international football. Scotland used to regularly spank England, often by 5 goals.

Let's just look at the Lord Roseberry kit again.

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You wouldn't see them wearing something like that these days.

Somewhere down the line, however, it all went wrong. In the 50s, Hibs were the first British club to play in a European competition, having introduced European football to Britain in the first place, and held the World Cup winning Hungary side to a goalless draw in their national stadium. They were invited to tour South America, and the 'Famous Five' became the inspiration for the great Brazil side of the 70s. This continued into the 60s, as they beat Manchester United, Barcelona and Real Madrid, and put 5 past Napoli. Celtic were no slouches in this period either, becoming the first British side to win the European Cup, and Rangers followed suit with the Cup Winner's Cup. Scotland humiliated the World Cup holders of England, a match that featured a fist fight at half time between Baxter and Law about which was a more humiliating sight - a load of goals or playing keepie-uppie in front of them. There was a brief renaissance in the 80s as Aberdeen and Dundee United proved they were the equal of... erm... Nottingham Forest... but that was pretty much it. No longer were the English leagues full of Scotsmen being overpaid, and Scotland could no longer look at England as a wee team who you normally beat.

So what went wrong? Personally, I think the loss of heavy industry is a major part. Where are all the players at lunchtimes with rags bound in dockyard tape? Working in call centres and playing five a side in a gym hall once a week. Kids don't go out as much any more and estates don't have big enough spaces to build a pitch on. Perhaps more crucially, it's very expensive to take kids to the match now.

Plus, of course, it's frequently excruciating to watch. I remember a Hearts/Motherwell game a couple of seasons ago, the highlights of which were one (count it) off-target shot. That was it. The lower divisions are worse, often living up entirely to "22 grown men chasing an inflated bladder around" except that not all of them can be arsed so only about 5 actually chase it. The rest might as well be sitting in front of the telly with 20 fags instead of playing. As Taggart once said, "You think this is murder? You've never been to Firhill." I remember being inducted at an early age by watching Dunfermline play at East Stirling. I don't remember much more than my pie and sitting on railway sleepers in the red ash, but that was enough. It was the start of 30 years of misery.

The highlights, however, have always been the players. Jim Baxter, whose legendary mazy runs may have been due to the amount of booze he had consumed. Jimmy Johnstone, getting lost in a rowing boat. Denis Law, a fox sucking a lemon. The 1978 World Cup squad not letting football get in the way of getting pished on holiday.

But there must be a favourite, and mine is Charles 'Chic' Charnley. Chic is a man's man. Sent off more than any other player in football history, Chic could have been one of the greats and even Franz Beckenbauer said as much. But... eh... Chic liked the drink a wee bit. And the pies. And the fighting in the park with samurai swords. And all the rest of it. Capable of genius on the park, but just as capable of throwing up on your shoes on a Saturday night, Chic was one of us and that's why I love him.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.scott2/pastplayers/andyritchie.jpg

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

LEGEND

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.justforfun.co.uk/images/order/products/hsm99053.jpg

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I just had a flashback to singing "Andy Ritchie's baws are always itchy"
:-/

xp

That can isn't purple. FAKE JIMMY BUNNIT!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Reminds me of the old joke:

Q: What's Lionel Richie's African cousin called?
A: Mboza

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

held the World Cup winning Hungary side to a goalless draw in their national stadium

Really? Aside from the fact that Hungary never won the WC (but, fair enough, they were supreme in the 50s), I can't find anything on the Web about this.

Scotland, World Champions 1967 indeed. At least until October when that title passed to Northern Ireland, of course.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Booze:

For all my talk of national characteristics, there's one thing more than anything that makes the Scots Scottish.

The bevvy.
The peeve.
Getting pished.
THE BOOZE.

But not just the desire for drink, a trait which I'm sure you'll agree many nations share such as the Irish, the Scandinavians, the Eastern Europeans and England fans in Union Flag swimming trunks in Spain, it's the desire to consume in flagrant contradiction of legality or even just plain good taste that marks us out.

Witness, for example, the spectacle at Christmas. Small children, even the under-5s, are force-fed advocaat by well meaning grannies like French geese (with comparable effect on their livers) in the misguided belief it's "not really drinking" till they vomit spectacular rivers of eggy spew. "Poor wee love, it must be all the excitement." Aye, obviously.

Is it any wonder, then, that we continue the habit as soon as we get the chance? Alcopops were a bit of a godsend for a nation with a hugely sweet tooth, but we go for the hardcore ones rather than the bog-standard breezers. Mad Dog 20/20 drunk neat! Tonic wine! Thunderbird! These are the drinks or your glorious Scottish alkie, not johnny-come-latelys like WKD (even if it is Irn Bru flavoured). I mean come on, the Lanark triangle kept a certain community of monks in cassocks for years, and has given them enough money to buy sandals for ever more.

The inventiveness doesn't end there, however. Many big industrial sites used to have their own bars, where men would fight to pour as many drinks as possible down their throats during their lunch break before going back and trying to put a half shift in. (Seriously, I've seen people drink upwards of 6 pints in 30 minutes) But what if you worked on a site where there wasn't a bar? Well then you had to get creative. If you worked on a site where it was used, acetone wasn't half bad with the right amount of mixer. If you didn't, then it was a matter of resorting to the slightly more fragrant, and therefore harder to mix, photocopier fluid. THESE ARE NOT AS BAD DRINKS AS THEY SOUND. My knowing this may be A BAD THING.

But I suppose, at the end of the day, the best things about Scottish booze are the common things. Even the mass produced lagers are OK, but there are some great beers including the pick of the bunch, Caledonian 80/-. There's a craving for dark rum that probably beats that of anywhere else in the world. And then there's the water of life, the malt. If you don't like one, then you just haven't tried enough. There's one there for you somewhere.

If you're at the bar, I'll have a hauf and a hauf pint. Heavy, aye.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

I clearly second Chic Charnley.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Aldo, do you have nothing better to do, like a job or something? :)

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

pot. kettle.
BACK TO WORK MADCHEN!

dahlin (dahlin), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Aldo, do you have nothing better to do, like a job or something? :)

He didn't get a bonus. The first thing you do at work after receiving such news is NOTHING PRODUCTIVE. I got the same news today and I spent my afternoon ranting about Celtic's ineptitude - aldo's rants have been more interesting, though I'll never forgive him for calling me a posh hun because I buy the occasional Herald.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Unfortunately, someone upthread mentioned "lucrative".

If "lucrative" meant even the possibility of a penny a year, given it's fun and 1) my job isn't and 2) the bonus is worth the square root of fuck all (in real terms, it's actually about two weeks wages, but you're supposed to work hard all year to get it and these are more or less real time - with work fitting in wherever) then doing this instead of actually working is several orders of magnitude "better".

Fuck me, I wish I could just write pish for a living. With an editor these screeds might be almost entertaining.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Hold on... The Marmalade.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 28 July 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

http://idisk.mac.com/stephentrousse/Public/ra.gif

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 28 July 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Are these part of your "gritty street urchins" collection Stevie?

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 28 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Is Madchen a Brit who lives in Scotland or a Scot who lives in England? I never did know.

MaryMary, Thursday, 28 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

she's english, in scotland


ally looks so young, in that photo!!!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 28 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

a "brit" who lives in scotland. umm, yes :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 28 July 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

so do you RJG!

Cathy (Cathy), Thursday, 28 July 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Sigh. Today's chapter of my Scots history was all about the '45 and Culluden and all that. Terribly depressing.

Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)

STOP PRESS: It was closer than we thought

Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

According to this book, it was actually quite a good thing both for Britain and for Scotland that they didn't win. But it was still depressing to read about how Highlanders were driven by some misguided sense of "honour" to fight for some bloke who'd never set foot in Scotland before, hadn't ever even seen a kilt before and didn't speak a word of Scots or Gaelic. (Yes, I know all of these things are cliches I should be well accustomed to, but it's very different from the version that my family go on about.)

I would actually like to go and visit again as an adult. I remember being taken by a child, and not being very impressed by much, except running around chasing my brother screaming and pretending to go at him with a claymore or something. My mum said there was a book where you could look people up to see if any of your ancestors had died there, and she claimed to have found quite a few.

I did like the descriptions in the book of the Highlanders being so terrifying that most of the early battles just involved the loyalists turning around running away. :-)

Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

I like the phrase: "Dinae get tickets on yourself doll".

Anna (Anna), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)

Who says "dinae"?

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

I only ask because "doll" seems very Glasgow and "dinae" disnae

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

Someone's in the kitchen with Dinae, someone's in the kitchen, I kno-ooo-ooo-ow, Someone's in the kitchen with Dinae... strummin' on the old banjo!

Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

My ex-flatmate Kate. From Dundee. She should be on this thread too as a Scottish person that I like.
If I've spelled any of the above liked phrase wrongly, then just put it down to being English and shamelessly appropriating the cultures of others.

Or just say I can't type for the life of me, especially using this mysteriously bouncey keyboard.

Anna (Anna), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh from Dundee, they do say "dinnae" up there

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Two 'n's - Thank you.

Anna (Anna), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

My flatmate, from Fife, says "the noo". I like that.

Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Of course, I say that AND "Och aye"!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

I would like to point out I was most taken with the concept of having tickets on oneself. (Not that I do etc etc despite being accused jokingly several times)

Anna (Anna), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

What does "having tickets on oneself" actually *mean*?

Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

i wish i could say och aye

dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 29 July 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

Someone who has tickets on themselves considers themselves to be gallus. Hope that helps.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Considers themselves to be A Roman Emperor?

I'm even more confused now!

Masonic Boom (kate), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

What is the noo? I've always been afraid to ask.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

That photo gives me the wullies.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)


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