Damn Student Loans

and Harvard University ranks at No. 9 with 231.

wait I thought harvard was supposed to have really good financial aid

Don't think it's possible, admrl.

the only school at harvard that receives federal aid money is harvard college. they refuse to share the money w/ the extension students (many older, many working, many part time) because their numbers will bring down the average aid available to the college money, which is also shared w/ the business school. and the MBAs are litigious and greedy fuxors.

the average aid available through the college mon

so get your ass on the corner, ho, and hook yourself a nice cambridgey john who will let you let you listen to terry gross in his orchidarium while you gobble his junk before taking your wood-rimmed bicycles for a straw-hatted ride along the charles

Harvard has buttloads of private grant money tho that they give based on need. I'm guessing these girls fall into the upper middle class bracket, I.e. don't really qualify for massive amounts of need based aid yet parents wont support them?

not that anecdotal data demonstrates anything, but proving /need/ espesh for asian/white students is harder'n passing the camel through the needle's eye, and moreso for adult/part time/working students. i.e. there are real cases known to me of full-time students who can't receive grants b/c they work, but will lose the limited scholarship dollars they receive if they don't. in another more (ahem) close to home case (sitting across the desk from me), financial aid is being withheld from a full-time extension school student at harvard b/c of an 'incomplete' on the transcript due to a work schedule conflict two years ago

I think it's prob lots of grad degree debt dan

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W/o any context, I'm going to assume that's Dennis Miller and Andrew Breitbart.

ok

http://online.wsj.com/media/studentloan.JPG

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/08/15/student-loan-debt-climbs/

yes

I applied for IBR and don't have to make a payment for a year. I guess only being able to find menial shit work after getting your grad degree has some positive side effect :/\

Anyone familiar with IBR know what they take into account? I wanted to buy a vehicle after paying off my CC's but don't know if they're going to take car payments into account.

They use your tax return? I am applying IBR now

Wait you don't have to make a payment but you still accrue interest, right?

we gave up on deferring my wife's loan (which isn't very much to be honest); we had been doing this for years after she stopped working, and even while she was going through cancer treatment, they were ok with it. then suddenly it they wanted a whole lot of other stuff in order to do a deferral; documentation that she was applying for work, on unemployment, or had to be receiving SSDI (which she was denied, whole other story there). so we just started paying it. fuck that.

Government loan?

yes. they did set up a 'graduated' payment plan whereby the payments are a nice size ($70/month) for a while then get bigger, and then it all gets paid off by the year 2748.

I have to admit a slight tinge of bitterness/regret that I stayed at my law school for a full scholarship when I was in position to transfer to a top school -- I could have just taken the debt and then relied on IBR if I were in trouble it seems. I don't begrudge anyone their IBR, but it seems like it kind of negated the point of me avoiding debt.

No, better that you don't have to depend on IBR, TBH

Filed my first FAFSA ever, got the full Pell and $6500/semester in loans. I don't like the prospect (given that I'll have a liberal arts degree from a 'fifth-tier national research university'), but I took the full amount as a cushion for the economy shitting the bed. If I don't end up needing it, my interest rate (which is like 2.9%, if I read my Stafford Counseling session shit right) is lower than some other debts I have.

don't spend all of your loan money at a bar treating your friends, like I did. bad move.

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stupid US dollar is so weak right now, my student loan repayment next month is gonna be a lot more than i expected (loan is in NZ).

I didn't think about that...maybe I should move back to UK and pay off my (US) loan from there

No fears of that. Got all that out of the way years ago (via Discover rather than student loans). All my friends have more money than I do now.

So, a movement/petition appears to be gaining traction that aims to forgive ALL student loans, in the name of stimulating the economy.
http://signon.org/sign/want-a-real-economic.fb1?source=s.fb&r_by=142663

the idea seems kind of naive to me, but major media outlets have covered it(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/30/financial-pinch-stifles-college-ambitions/ , http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2009/03/08/the-next-bailout-cancel-us-student-loans.html , http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/mar2009/bs20090323_558993.htm , etc), and Rep. Hansen Clarke (D-MI) has introduced legislation (H. Res 365) on the topic.

i'm deep in student loan debt (paying around $500-600 a month just to stay even - i'm not even cutting into the principle), so don't get me wrong, i would love it if it magically disappeared. but since the amount of student loan debt totals around $800 billion, "forgiving" it would be a massive, MASSIVE investment that would mostly benefit those who least need it. the unemployment rate for college graduates hovers around 5% iirc, whereas it's ~10% for high school graduates, and higher for those without high school degrees. it just seems like an asshole move to invest more money than the stimulus and almost totally ignore the people who are suffering the most.

on top of that, there's the argument that very little of the $800 billion investment in debt forgiveness would actually make it into the economy in the first year, because only about 4% of the total student loan debt is actually in payment each year, once you take into account students still in college, people in forbearance, etc.

anyway, just seeing if anyone has thoughts.

I read a lot about student loans even tho I only have like 1-2k worth (and they're interest-free)...partly because I know so much people w/ debt, partly because I'm always tempted/being pushed towards some expensive grad program and hold back because of it.

I think people really underestimate how massive and slow-building this crisis is. also it's not gonna be something you can solve w/o a massive reform of our university system.

on a political level, forgiving nearly a trillion dollars worth of student loans anytime soon is unthinkable. it's not a public issue right now, and it would have to take a long time to build into one. lotta people are gonna have to be suffering publicly and the economic effects are gonna have to be noticeable before it gets *any* attention.

but forgiving all loans is also basically impossible. for one, we can't have taxpayers paying some harvard mba's loans. I would imagine the end-game will involve making it possible to discharge them via bankruptcy and some sort of bailout will be paired w/ that? but there will be no 'free ride', that's for sure.

oops "so much people w/ debt" = "so many people w/ debt"

I just want mine forgiven. That's all. Then I'll stimulate the economy all by myself.

i'd love to not have to pay back my loans (30K+) but it will never, ever happen.

um, i'm kind of really annoyed at direct loans right now as they decided to change sites and i never received any communication saying i'd have to re-submit monthly deduction info. now my account shows past due. i'm sure if i call them they'll fix it, but i just don't think i should have to waste my time doing this crap when they could have just sent me an email/letter to say 'hey, you'll need to re-submit your payment info in order for auto-deductions to continue. make sure you do this by x date!'

Huh, wonder if I'm pass due.

whaaaaaaaa?
FUCK

great, and it doesn't recognize my email address for logging in?

oh wait, i need to register for a new account?

i'm several gimlets and herbsaints in, i can't handle this shit

yeah i had to register a new account. ugh.

OK, mine was past due, but Jenny's (which I also manage) was not. WTF.

Also, lol at seeing the total debt again. Since I had autopayments set up, I hadn't looked at it in awhile. Doesn't seem to have gone down much.asdjfklasdfjlskdf

my principal hasn't decreased in 2 1/2 years, despite making monthly payments.

hah i switched to income-based repayment about 6 months ago so i expect my balance will stay the same for the next 10 years (or until i start making mad $).

my principal's being paid down, but it's like watching paint dry or golf on TV. i'll be paying them shits off till i die ;_;

Also, lol at seeing the total debt again. Since I had autopayments set up, I hadn't looked at it in awhile. Doesn't seem to have gone down much.asdjfklasdfjlskdf

LOL at you coming in the bedroom and announcing my outstanding debt when I'm still in bed on the one day of the week I get to sleep in. *bitter*

I forgive you, by the way. I just thought it was funny.

How can you sleep when we have so much debt???

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204644504576653043088346786.html

Sweet.

Wait, I don't think my private loan is government backed. Oh well. Sweet for other people, though!

so my payment was deducted after all! Just late. I think they owe me a penalty fee?