2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

"mr. o, i have a friend who says that the muslims in his town are very angry, very militant"

"well before i go off on a crusade against the infidel i'd like to get a few more facts in place, evidence, to say that's how they really feel"

omg o'reilly is saying he wants to go on a crusade against the infidel!!!

"If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down."

"that's legit" doesn't refer to it being a legitimate point of view on her part; it refers to the lynching party, doesn't it?

ffs

No, I think it just refers to the viewpoint being "legit." Even I don't think O'Reilly would actually imply that a lynching party - even metaphorical - is "legit." I just think it was a bad choice of words. Anyway, I think impugning both of the Obamas' patriotism is far more offensive than the use of that phrase, and CNN is guilty of that too.

yeah i don't think he means literal lynching party obv.

Your search - "you can get anything you want at sylvia's restaurant" - did not match any documents.

so the clinton campaign responds to the circulation of the "dressed" obama photo:

Enough.

If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry.

We will not be distracted.

fuck this shit

oh christ, that's just bullshit

morbs i'm all in favor of breaking up the two-party system but nader's a cult of personality - he doesn't build movements and he does no actual organizing.

-- Tracer Hand, Monday, February 25, 2008 9:03 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

tracer what did u think of the nation editorial i posted

2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

i luv this "shame on you" "they should be ashamed" stuff going on now, right?

We will not be distracted.

from red-wine-drinking or job-hunting?

lol^^

in any case this photo's awesome:

http://drudgereport.com/bc.jpg

beyond the wizard's sleeve

im concerned about gw's muslim roots

If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

I mean, wow. This is just so unbelievably, transparently disingenuous.

http://www.drudgereport.com/oa.jpg
i can understand stupid ppl being like OMG TERRORIST at this but is anybody currently undecided about o vs hillary gonna take clintons side because of this? they are desperate as fuck!!

daria bailed out of this thread just in time. "Fail to defend the indifensible" etc

maybe not now but in the ge :-/ xp

if anything hillarys driving a stake in her own career w/ this shit, folks arent gonna be so quick to forgive this kind of dirty trick bs

yeah but thats what im saying - im sure it could influence undecideds between mccain & obama, but not clinton & obama!! so why is she doing mccain's dirty work right now!?!

yeah i had been capn save-a-hillary with my obamaniac friends for months now but with this news today i seriously resolve not to vote for her

luckily it looks like i wont have the option

I'm glad we're learning about all these amazing political skills in the primary not the general. HillaryCo doesn't seem to understand that the reason Bush gets away with this shit is because Bush is speaking the lines, not Rove.

and because they run all their bullshit through a red-face test first

m sure it could influence undecideds between mccain & obama, but not clinton & obama!! so why is she doing mccain's dirty work right now!?!

-- and what, Monday, February 25, 2008 11:29 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

This. And I've also been a capn-save-a-hillary.

what makes anyone think that clinton's people are behind this photo??

Uh because her camp failed to deny it, and the statement they did release seems hilariously disingenuous?

Drudge said so; ClintonCo has tacitly admitted or at least not denied it

reality has a known obama bias

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/030506colbert.jpg

Next debate should be fun.

yea i'm seriously amazed at how poorly HRC's campaign has been run, i mean come on! this whole thing was supposed to be a cake-walk! (the primary, at least) i don't know how anyone could have thought this would be a smart move (assuming it was a move at all, were staffers just circulating the photo among themselves, not to the press?)

in any case, the blunders of hilz' campaign have been pretty astounding -- the money/funds-handling stupidity, bill's comments in SC, the complete failure to engage in/understand caucus states, the lack of a post-2/5 plan, the various leaks/drama among staff, the total lack of a clear message/presentation of hillary, etc.

just from a tactical viewpoint alone, i think the fact that her campaign has been so poorly managed could be reason enough to vote for her. nothing she has done has really indicated at all that she could run a fierce and competitive general election campaign.

contrast all that with how smoothly obama's campaign has been run -- the fundraising behemoth, the grassroots support, the incredible on-the-ground organization, the consistent messaging and clear presentation of the candidate.

Obama should wear a Whitewater t-shirt and a Monsanto cap for that next debate.

were staffers just circulating the photo among themselves, not to the press?

time well spent!

drudge: clinton people behind photo
obama people: wtf is with the clinton people behind this photo
clinton people: what's the big deal with us being behind this photo
tracer: what makes anyone think that clinton's people are behind this photo??

from the Times yesterday

“She has a real military discipline that, now that times are tough, has really kicked into gear,” said Judith Hope, a friend and informal adviser to Mrs. Clinton, and a former chairwoman of the New York State Democratic Party. “When she’s on the road and someone has a negative news story, she says, ‘I don’t want to hear it; I don’t need to hear it.’ I think she wants to protect herself from that and stay focused.

that remind you of anyone else in politics?

oh i see - clinton people didn't specifically deny it. it's just weird - for all the reasons 'and what' mentioned it makes no sense. for me, given drudge's history with the clintons, it seems like exactly the kind of right-wing shit-stirring designed to push people buttons and get the pigeons all atwitter and fighting amongst themselves.

A spry Farrakhan sings Obama's praises :(

fuck this shit

^^^^ This.

man people like Farrakhan need to realize that the best way for them to support anyone is to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

i dont think farrakhan's support will hurt obama

maybe not, but it can't help.

It's probably the best time for this dumb stuff to circulate: he's the likely nominee, and at the same time he isn't running against McCain (or TBA) yet.

Better now than a month ago or in September.

it seems like exactly the kind of right-wing shit-stirring designed to push people buttons and get the pigeons all atwitter and fighting amongst themselves.

Wrong the first part:

A few thoughts on this Obama photo that was circulated by the Clinton campaign, published on the Drudge Report. The first is that it is a sign of the desperation of Team Clinton. The second is that it is pretty nasty stuff, with its "he’s a Muslim and it should bother you" undertone. For the record, Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim, and the photo should not bother anyone (I recall President Bush had to wear some pretty wild outfits when he attended the APEC summits). And third, this will backfire in a big way. Twenty-four hours from now I suspect we’ll see virtually the entire Democratic establishment, and many others, condemning this tactic. It’ll advance the storyline that the Clinton campaign is spinning out of control – lurching from melancholy valedictory comments one day to faux outrage the next – and in its dying days.

During tomorrow evening’s debate, Hillary Clinton will be on the defensive and very much regret this stupid and ugly effort.

you missed

Other than that, it was a swell idea.

02/25 11:59 AM

it will backfire among progressives. among conservatives and likely independents it will only continue this new accepted wisdom of obama as trojan horse, which is not only being spread by yr uncle (10000% chance the photo becomes a part of the obama jihad email) but by the ap now as well. again: fuck this shit.

i'm going to make "obama jihad" t-shirts