OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

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Okay, okay, I get it. It's not so much that the makers of the opener don't mean it racially, or that a lot of people wouldn't interpret it racially, it's that some people could. In which case fair enough, best not to piss people off, I guess.

The next obvious question to ask is: since I didn't even consider it racist on 1st viewing, does it mean that a) I'm a blithering idiot who doesn't think of the perceived lineage of a joke when I see a joke, or b) I've come on enough (as have a lot of people) that I can see a joke about a black guy without thinking that the joke has anything to do with him being black?

It's c) both, I guess. Hmmm.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

(it makes me sad when y'all reference the Danish Muhammad cartoon thread because it makes me think all I have ever done on ILX is post 1 million times to the exact same types of thread)

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

i keep reading that as "i've been come on enough..." and laughing, like yeah that is why i don't see race anymore too!!

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Johnney B OTM (and far more concise and eloquent than I). Want to call him a smelly Britisher for it too?

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

IT MEANS YOU ARE OH SO MUCH MORE ENLIGHTENED THAN US, OH BRAVE AND OPEN-MINDED BRITISH PERSON, PLEASE USE MORE BULLSHIT LANGUAGE ABOUT HAVING "COME ON ENOUGH" UNTIL WE SEE THE WISENESS OF YOUR HAPPY, POST-RACE, UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS WAYS

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

but i think it's so OBVIOUS to most that to not see beyond it would require ignoring it. and quietly ignoring a racist aspect to something tacitly approves it. i think that's part of it

I agree with that. Before I even read the rest of this thread, I saw the first image that Nick posted and was like "holy shit, racist much?"

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

wait johnny b comes on soccer players?

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

yay roasting

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

no no they come on him :D

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

johnny b comes on *black* soccer players

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

omg ashl3y c0l3 and jerma1n3 j3nas to thread

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Arf, yes, you guys have evolved into blissfully ignorance of the issues. I look forward to your evolving so far past class issues that you ask homeless people if they can give you some spare change.

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.undertheradarmag.com/goldie_glcalbumcover.jpg

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha YES LET'S TALK ABOUT CLASS NOW

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

the point with this particular caricature is that Ronaldinho is, in particular and above all else, physically associated with having big teeth. this is not just a British or even European thing, as you can tell by a quick google image search. it doesn't even matter if he actually has big teeth - this is the genral public perception of him, hence the caricature. it's not just that one man who happens to have big teeth - Ronaldinho IS big teeth. the fact that the resulting caricature ends up looking similar to some old racist caricatures is a valid reason for some people not to want to own one themselves. it does not make it as bad as those racist caricatures, unless you lack the mental faculty to discriminate* between things that looks the same but aren't.

*unfortunate, but apt, verb

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops
he is like a tiny kitty and i guess i like that in my shortstops

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

mr que otm

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

this thread was going somewhere when we were talking about ejaculate.

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

roberto, are you even a real person?

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

i've evolved so much that i don't think twice about dropping N-bombs at naacp meetings because, hey, i just don't recognize race.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

KENAN WHY DO YOU ALWAYS WANT TO COME ON MY FACE

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

i believe i am a real person, but who really knows for sure? what did happen at the end of Blade Runner?

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

in my country , "N-bombs" are a kind of tasty candy ! Nice try , American Kevin from Chicagoland !

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Hang on, are we in trouble now for *not* being racist?

Kevin, who the fuck on this thread has actually given any indication that they might do that?

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

*moment of realisation* fucking hell this is one of the worst things on the internet ever EVER EVER.

it's been nice shitting with you guys

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

i do not have to come on your face. go ahead, turn over.

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

i've evolved so much that i don't even have to call you limey retards, just retards

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/421226508_7e287c479e_o.png

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm British. I read the first post, didn't find it funny, but it never occurred to me that it was racist. My housemate is from LA. I showed it to her after reading the shitstorm upthread, and she immediately said, "are there white ones too?" and found it a troubling image. That was before I showed her the rest of the thread. As Johnny B said, it's not unreasonable for it genuinely not to occur to people that the image might be offensive to others. FWIW, I get the same feeling I think a lot of the Americans on this thread are getting when I see Jamaicans or Indians or Pakistanis portrayed in U.S. culture (dude in Van Wilder, Hermes from Futurama), etc. Equally, anyone claiming that they can't understand why people might find that bottle opener offensive, after they've had it explained to them, is being disingenuous.

So, what I take away from this thread: cultures be different, and thank god for the killfile. Post by unfished business deleted = mmmm.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

i lack the mental faculty to know where (and on whom) i'm dropping a load am i retarted y/n?

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Hang on, are we in trouble now for *not* being racist?

i don't think anyone is in *trouble* for anything. i think "being mocked" is closer to it. it's a logical extension of the "not seeing race" stance. do keep up.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I get the same feeling I think a lot of the Americans on this thread are getting when I see Jamaicans or Indians or Pakistanis portrayed in U.S. culture (dude in Van Wilder, Hermes from Futurama), etc.

This is very otm.

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, I'm saying that not being aware of the racial issues is a bad thing, a fault on my part, and it's something maybe I (and possibly others who shared my immediate reaction) need to be more aware of. Point taken.

(I know that conceding points and showing weakness isn't the done thing on the interweb, but I'm starting a trend)

(Oh, and If we're dragging class into it, this thread will need apocalypse.jpg even more.)

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I *do* understand why people are finding it offensive. It doesn't mean that I have to agree with the thought processes that make them do so.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

you know, if your only investment in a conversation about race is to clear your own ass, you should maybe just stay out of it.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

caek OTM except for pretending that east indians & jamaicans are glorified full citizens of Britlandia and never characterized nor stereotyped

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

i mean sometimes shit just sprays everywhere

http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/p/pe/penywise/618618_firemen_hose_practice.jpg

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://fire.fws.gov/pftc/photos1999/firehose.jpg

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~geist/Icons/needinput.gif

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

caek is a patronising cunt-face! :-D

srsly, though, there is a slight difference between not finding a certain caricature of an internationally-renowned sporting superstar racist, and being a member of the BNP and actively bringing race-hatred upon the lives of others. hence why nabisco's 'homeless person' analogy is melodramatic and unfair.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

hott

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Okay you know one of the main things that's bugging the hell out of me on this thread is the idea that these sorts of caricatures somehow USED to be malicious or hateful. They weren't. They were "affectionate." The lawn jockey is "affectionate." The toothpaste guy is "affectionate." The minstrel show is "affectionate." They all say "hahaha don't you love those hilarious funny-looking darkies with their comical ignorance and simplicity and whatnot."

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

shut up shut up shut up

― deej, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

uh xps to LJ obv

― deej, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

And OTM about Hermes from Futurama, my jaw dropped when I first watched it. Then I remembered that UK!=US and that they probably didn't mean it that way.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think caek said that, to be fair. it's a good comparison. GB/England has all this history wrt Indians/Pakistanis that might make sense of why (some) Britishers are more sensitive to portrayals of them even as they experience a lot of fucked up shit living there.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

how dare nu-ilx make it look like i think nabsico not otm.

― deej, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

caek OTM except for pretending that east indians & jamaicans are glorified full citizens of Britlandia and never characterized nor stereotyped

Of course they are, but in different ways to how it typically goes over in the U.S., which is precisely my point. I wasn't trying to defend British culture.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

goddamn so many xposts never mind.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

srsly, though, there is a slight difference between not finding a certain caricature of an internationally-renowned sporting superstar racist, and being a member of the BNP and actively bringing race-hatred upon the lives of others. hence why nabisco's 'homeless person' analogy is melodramatic and unfair.

PS I would say this was fucking dumb as shit except at least shit MAKES SENSE.

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

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