Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

(marie's "relapse" points that up as well)

I love how VG really did call back to her shoplifting.

i don't remember that beer scene but i do remember hank telling walt to stop shoving tequila down his son's throat. think i've always thought of him as sort of the good guy?

I like how Marie's shoplifting fits nicely with the the scene where she's betting Hank he won't get a hard-on. "What if someone walks in?" "I don't care." She has (often unchecked) thrill-seeking behavior, and Hank likes it in deep, horny ways. It explains a lot about the relationship.

I like how Marie is a character, and not a sidebar. I like that most of all.

kenan otm

marie is a real character, for sure
this is part of why i watch this show, not for walt (although the big drama is the other part)

how so? as far as I can see and based on what Vince G says it's about Walt having a total lack of morals and utterly debasing himself and us continuing to cheerlead for him anyway...I don't see that him having a moral justification is necessary and I think increasingly he just doesn't have one. I mean if they wanted to push that angle why has his cancer barely been mentioned for so long?

No he doesn't have a moral justification for what he's doing and he never has really, but I still think he's fooling himself about having a moral justification. So when it's really pride, ego, selfishness and possibly greed driving him (although short of paying medical bills and buying a car wash he hasn't actually done much with that money) I genuinely think Walt still believes he's doing the right thing, despite driving himself to worse and worse extremes. Once Walt admits to himself that he's only really doing it for himself then a lot of the interest in the character is lost. Also the cancer angle for S1 and S2 is now Hanks medical bills.

the look on walt's face when he's enjoying the coffee from gale's rube goldberg machine: as it changes to a grim realization of what's happened to its creator, and then gets battened down into a hard mask of self-justification and determination to get to work - in an instant he moves towards the meth machines, flipping on the switches - is a perfect encapsulation of how walt has changed over these three.x seasons. and all told with no lines at all, just in his face and body! fuck

(it also shows that while walt's changed, he's still walt - those former selves are all still in there)

Walt also has literally no way out now unless he kills Gus. If he walks away he's dead. The last time he had a real moral choice was when Gus offered him a job, he could have walked away and his ego got the better of him.* When he's talking to Jesse in the fly episode and says the one great moment was when he had the money and his kid was about to be born, and since then he's dragging himself through further and further debasements trying to get back to that point - hah, he is actually like an addict now.

*Obviously he didn't really have a choice, without Gus the twins would've killed him, but he doesn't know that.

Tracer YES. When he poured the coffee I wondered aloud whether he felt guilty drinking from the man he murdered's coffee set up and bam. That was great. Brian Cranston is amazing.

cranston knows the inside of this character very well and it's why stuff like RUN works

Yeah, if you see him interviewed the amount of thought he gives Walt's motivations and inner workings is extraordinary.

on The Internet people are saying how this is a huge plot inconsistency - i.e. how can skyler give walt a lecture about expensive champagne when she's ready to drop 800K in her own name on a car wash? but to my mind it just shows how skyler's greed is making her become as wilfully blind as walt is

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 7:36 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i read it as yet another example of what horrible criminals in over their heads those two are

the look on walt's face when he's enjoying the coffee from gale's rube goldberg machine: as it changes to a grim realization of what's happened to its creator, and then gets battened down into a hard mask of self-justification and determination to get to work - in an instant he moves towards the meth machines, flipping on the switches - is a perfect encapsulation of how walt has changed over these three.x seasons. and all told with no lines at all, just in his face and body! fuck

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 11:07 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha that was amazing tho i admit my first reaction was for a second pffft too obvious but then i was all omg im in too deep

"how can skyler give walt a lecture about expensive champagne when she's ready to drop 800K in her own name on a car wash?"

Uh how about cuz she's still an enormous know-it-all nag?

Think this was my least favourite episode ever.

Some days on and people are really running with the notion that this is either going to get a 6-8 episode fifth and final season or at least a few more seasons on another network.

I highly doubt that'll happen. AMC seems like dicks tho

what's the hold up? gilligan wants weiner money?

http://www.nerve.com/news/tv/amc-might-lose-embreaking-bad-em

rip amc

it was sad, that the logo on my torrent changed

I hope it doesn't go to HBO. Maybe lifetime would be good.

Why is Walt being such a baby about the cameras? Does he really not expect to be watched?

well when they nail the formula hes a dead dude prob, so now he knows that he is constantly watched - camera makes it easy to dig in for details/rewatch the tape/etc

re: marie and purple - yeah they've painstakingly established that shes always wearing purple, which i took as sort of a obsessive signifier for her. imo the reason she isnt wearing purple at the open house is because shes "not marie". i think the depth of maries heavily controlled minor neuroses is only starting to get plumbed here.

they've already nailed the formula, haven't they? victor had it down cold. i figured walt was indispensable because he'd know what to do in case of any variation in material, humidity, whatever. i think he said something to this effect in e01.

But what if the infidilator percolates at 2 degrees below sub-optimal tinkering point? Meth making is all about improv.

I hope it doesn't go to HBO. Maybe lifetime would be good.

Cue the game changing North American Cable TV Riots of 2011.

If it goes to HBO I mean. Lifetime offers their programming on iTunes so that would be great.

I hope it doesn't go to HBO. Maybe lifetime would be good.

― Jeff, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:05 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

At least they could say 'fuck' if it went HBO. Wouldn't affect me whatever, I'm stealing this stuff.

would mean more than just a fifth season, and i don't know if the show can creatively last longer than that.

yeah, that wouldn't be good

Yeah that's a fair point.

IDK though, I do pretty much trust Gilligan to wrap it up at an appropriate time; he cares deeply about good storytelling, which is one of the main reasons the show is so good.

can't AMC just shitcan the killing?

but then we'd never know Who Killed Rose Larsen

lol

IDK though, I do pretty much trust Gilligan to wrap it up at an app

Another network's not going to pick it up if they only get one season though, is the thing

Meth making is all about improv.

― Jeff, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:32 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lmao

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/breaking-bad-eying-two-season-final-run/

AMC has an offer on the table for a standard 13-episode fifth season but Sony is looking for more. People close to the matter expect the final deal to be for 13-20 episodes, possibly spread over 2 seasons. Besides pinning down the exact size of the order, a sticking point has been who will shoulder the production cost for Breaking Bad going forward. In TV, starting with Season 5, the network take over 100% of a show's production cost. In the early days of original series on basic cable, the networks didn't know quite how to handle the tricky Season 4-Season 5 transition financially and tended to cancel shows after four seasons, like Lifetime's Any Day Now. In the case of Breaking Bad, I hear AMC is asking Sony for some participation in the budget, which most recently was around $3.2 million an episode. AMC and Sony's previous license negotiation last year was also lengthy and difficult. But this time around, a renewal appeared a much easier proposition, given the series' double-digit ratings growth for the start of Season 4, including posting a series high with the season premiere. Additionally, the auxiliary market, where Breaking Bad had been far weaker than AMC's signature series Mad Men, also has picked up. Thanks in part to a savvy deal Sony made with Walmart, DVD sales for Season 3 went up double digits from Season 2, a rare feat for a series these says. And after it wraps a deal for the show, Sony has to also forge a new pact with Gilligan whose contract is also up after this season.

well when they nail the formula hes a dead dude prob, so now he knows that he is constantly watched - camera makes it easy to dig in for details/rewatch the tape/etc

I'm not sure this holds really. That guy was watching Walt cook for ages and thought he could replicate it exactly but Gus was having none of it. It's a new chemist or nothing really.

But a new chemist who wouldn't have to work with Walt like Gus did to learn Walt's formula, so Walt wouldn't know this person was on deck and therefore not go kill this person.

Jesse was right at the diner -- if Gus had wanted to kill them, they would be dead. He does not want to kill them right now for a reason. If after that, Walt gets pissy and starts to flip off the cameras, it strikes me as more than a little ill-advised petulance. Just go about yr business, dude.

http://www.teefury.com/products_large_images/1311031663_BOTTOM__071815h29m11.jpg

jesse doesn't seem to have said 'bitch' once this season

said it when he got the money in the guy's mouth iirc

tee design needs heisenberg hat

"get some dippin strips too, yo"

whoa, the thai karaoke video was too much

didn't know what to read into the "WW" lab notes business with Hank, but I felt some unspoken things going on there
are we supposed to think that hank knows? esp after the "quite a tale" comment too.

I don't think Hank necessarily suspected Walter was WW. But he obviously noted the coincidence(s). Maybe he figured there was a one in 100 chance, so he just threw it out there to see how Walter would react. The Walt Whitman thing seemed to instantly put an end to any suspicions.