abortion classic or dud?

I agree.

i know literally dozens of--probably more than a hundred--people under or around 21 who are pro-choice!

it's new york versus somewhere else though, right; bc i am in the same boat but i feel like it's a 'i don't know anyone who even knows anyone who voted bush!' kinda situation

in NYC, in LA, in NJ, in college w/ people from all over

iirc the numbers on abortion rights hold pretty evenly across age groups, unlike most other so-called "social issues"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/28/us-abortion-northcarolina-idUSTRE76R6LW20110728

NC legislature overrides their governor's veto, women will be required to wait 24 hrs, be 'counseled", and have a mandatory ultrasound

I think Christine lives in what is probably a predominantly Christian part of Florida. That could have something to do with it?

I know and have worked with people all across the board. Most of my friends are pro-choice but, for example, I'd say the majority of the kids I worked wiht last year (young inner city minorities) would probably identify as pro-life. From working in a clinic where terminations were provided, however, I know that identifying as pro-life doesn't necessarily mean much when it comes to behaviors. I saw a lot of women there for pre or post abortion appts who were "definitely pro-life".

I blame all the Teen Mom bullshit.

yeah i always heard about "did you find your way to the clinic okay" "yes i used to picket here".
that's interesting about the numbers holding per age group, i would've thought it was still pretty regionally weighted, in the same way that i'd imagine that it's religiously weighted.

x-post - Heh. Well as someone who has also worked with and in support of teen parents I have some pretty strong feelings on that "Teen Mom bullshit" but I don't really think this is the place to get into that.

Just to be clear by "bullshit" I meant the ridiculous amount of hype that show is getting wrt to magazine covers and gossip sites and stuff. No larger comment on the issue of teenage pregnancy intended by my snarky, jokey comment.

I appreciate the clarification - it's a complicated topic!

someone make a thread about that show I would read it

I've thought about doing so many times and even discussed it with horseshoe but I am worried it would get ugly and tbh I'm not a regular watcher so don't really feel it's my place to start one.

Yeah I didn't mean for that to come out weird, just comes from a place of seeing so many people on my Facebook feed talking about Teen Mom.

I guess fuckyeahteenmom is a tumblr

lol started like a week ago

Following the Teen Mom tag is exhausting.
Every other post is, “Ryan is so hot!”

i watch teen mom sometimes (one of my sisters is obsessed with it) and if anything i think it's a force for good in terms of raising consciousness about birth control and reproductive choices in general. it can be really sad and hard to watch but it's a good show!

i defer to Erica on this subject, though, as she is an expert!

Yeah, I agree with that in general.

wait XPOST

I'm not agreeing with being an expert. lol.

"I would like to point out that I have been OTM on this subject, since I am an expert and all"

well, you are!

haha not you P3rry

"raising consciousness about birth control and reproductive choices in general"

I agree with that, I think. But then, well, I got in invitation in the mail yesterday to a baby shower for one of my former participants who is due with her 2nd kid in a couple months. I was at the birth of her 1st a little over a year ago. She updates her FB all the time about Teen Mom. IDK what I'm trying to say or what this has to do with anything but I watch that show and I'm like, "Shit that looks hard etc." and cringe when the girls/guys say things like, "We didn't use condoms because buying them is embarrassing" and yet it doesn't or hasn't had the same effect on some other viewers and I still don't get why. If we knew why then perhaps we'd be able to approach sex ed from a different angle and yeild some different results. idk. It's really complicated and I'm not being very eloquent here.

I find some of the research into adolescent brain development and decision making capability really interesting when it comes to this sort of thing but that's pretty tricky in terms of trying to empower teens while at same time recognizing that they literally might not actually have the capacity to make good and healthy decisions for themselves yet in terms of this stuff.

yeah it is complicated! i am actually really curious about how young women react to the show. my sister and i basically just view at as one big ad for condoms--these girls' lives are so hard! and so many of them are so so careful about birth control after they have their first kid, sort of heartbreakingly. but my sister and i are older and have no kids and are pretty set in our ways as far as reproductive rights are concerned. maybe it doesn't read that way to actual teenagers.

And forget about even thinking about that stuff in terms of abortion because that could be potentially devastating in terms of parental consent laws and stuff. See? COMPLICATED.

Not to derail the thread here but I thought that having a baby shower for your second child was NAGL. We only ran into this because lesbian friends of ours were having their second child, but since the other partner carried the first we thought that the partner carrying the second child deserved a shower but the emphasis was really taken off of presents. Anyway, point being a bunch of people got all up in arms and it caused kind of a rift among our friends.

Back to topic at hand.

I strongly dislike the show teen mom but have prob watched too much considering who I think I am

And just who do you think you are, fantasy?

yeah explain!

Not an expert, thats for sure!

x-post - Yeah from what I understand having a shower for your 2nd kid is considered to be pretty gauche but I don't think these ppl really give a shit about etiquettel. Also, it might be one of those rules that sort of died down in certain circles. Oh and I think it's the father's first kid and he's the one throwing it according to the invite so maybe he wanted to celebrate? That seems valid imo.

errr etiquette

I mean I hate shows that I end up thinking are exploitative, like intervention, and almost all the people on teen mom are prob more horrible than people on addiction shows

oh yeah fair enough

xxxxp Yes, and I also used to work with of disadvantaged teenagers on Medicaid. So my sample group is a little different.

SF not having this crisis pregnancy center crap

Rare good news - federal judge strikes down some of the most offensive parts of the Texas law: the parts that required doctors to show a sonogram to women getting abortions & to force them to listen to the fetal heartbeat

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/31/texas.abortion.sonogram/index.html

I believe all women should be forced to look at smearograms before deciding to abort.

The law "compels physicians to advance an ideological agenda with which they may not agree, regardless of any medical necessity, and irrespective of whether the pregnant women wish to listen," Sparks wrote.

Sparks otm

/The law "compels physicians to advance an ideological agenda with which they may not agree, regardless of any medical necessity, and irrespective of whether the pregnant women wish to listen," Sparks wrote./

Sparks otm

p much

mordy otm

next protest I go to I'm bringing an image of a smearogram on a sign w/o any text or anything

on the back of the posterboard you should write this

i like how yall try to figure the smearograms out

― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:49 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i just posted them because they look cool

― that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:49 PM (4 days ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/16/us/virginia-panel-tightens-abortion-clinic-rules.html?ref=us

bullshit by any standard but particularly annoying coming from the party of anti-regulation hysteria