2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

Thought about posting the same thing, refrained

i admire your restraint

The shit I'm reading about this guy on Le Figaro is rather telling. He claims his stepfather has slept with 500 women, passes his time in Thailand with hookers and gave his mother herpes which somehow led to meningitis and that she now has the IQ of a ten year old. Supposedly his half-sister has slept with 40 men, has had chlamidia and is "almost sterile". None of this prevented him from living with his mother, of course, and he explains that, as a self-styled 'Templar knight', he wasn't ashamed since it helped him save money for his neafrious plans.

He sounds like a case of arrested development turning inward into sociopathy. It's as if he never made it past the age of 13. Apparently he slept with a high class hooker the night before he went on his rampage.

he... gave his mother herpes?

His step-father purportedly did

I somehow missed "his stepfather" in my original readthrough, which made that really alarming and upsetting; now it is merely upsetting.

I'm pretty sure that herpes doesn't lead to meninigitis and a diminished IQ

dude is a total sociopath and a narcissist

herpes can cause meningitis btw

Oh, nm then.

I'm kind of indifferent to the truth of his allegations; it's the man-child state of mind he exhibits that I find telling.

well yeah---the allegations seem entirely fanciful

I'm not sure if this is the best place for this quote, but I found it somewhat infuriating and sad:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/fbi_recommended_complete_idiots_guide_anti-muslim_books_to_new_agents.php

The FBI was telling new bureau recruits as recently as Jan. 2009 that Islam "transforms (a) country's culture into 7th Century Arabian ways" and recommending a book written by one of Norwegian terrorism suspect Anders Behring Breivik's favorite authors as well as the Complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding Islam.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/28/morrissey-norway-attacks-mcdonalds-kfc

Melanie Phillips strongly denied any suggestion that her writings influenced Breivik, dismissing him as "mentally abnormal" and accusing left-wing elements of attempting to badmouth her.[95][163]

Breivik today demanded that for him to continue cooperating during interrogations, the cabinet should retire, the royals abdicate, and command of the armed forces should be yielded to him. The same demands will probably be made during the trial. O_o

"Some of his more innocent demands have been granted, such as preferences regarding food."

oh

They probably had to really deliberate for a while about whether or not to yield command of the armed forces to him. Like, hhmmmmm, should we?

haha knowing norwegians they probably did hold a little meeting

at this point i guess they're only interested in accommodating him in any way because they want info on possible co-conspirators? i mean other than that, there's not much purpose to the police hearings

...aaaand it's this lot again, apparently planning to picket some funerals. Not gonna bother linking, I'm sure you can find it yourself if you want; a pic will have to do.

http://gfx.nrk.no/B6pIvWbquhRGSnWNxkRgrgrPzhjfzfOtGYHh8NOTsstg.jpg

Sigh. Just posting so I can bookmark and not arrive at that particular image.

WBC will never receive anything but an eyeroll from me. They're not worthy of my disgust.

Whoa:
http://talkaboutequality.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/if-a-married-lesbian-couple-saves-40-teens-from-the-norway-massacre-and-no-one-writes-about-it-did-it-really-happen/

An attempt at analyzing the bogus URLs in the manifesto - they seem to be GPS coördinates and they may point at precise locations in big European cities

http://analysis.no.net/

^ this is all still very theoretical and no reason for public panic yet (maybe they should have kept quiet about this until they're 100% done and know what's really going on)

dude wants to blow up belgravia, fine by me

Breivik was back on Utoya yesterday for a reconstruction. There's photos here: http://vg.no/vgpluss/article/1LaxOvUp

that picture is creepy

it's a bit weird and insensitive...

is that common practice in norway?!

that is the weirdest thing

lex: don't think the term 'common' applies to much in this case

that said i think having perpetrators back at the scene for reconstruction is common practice where possible and helpful

wow, that is fucking weird

It's quite common over here in Belgium too. No need to curse.

i imagine this is prob SOP in the US as well---it's only in the news, i'm guessing, because, you know

i've heard of detained suspects being taken out w/ police to locate a body in a very remote location or something, but i've never heard of a suspect recreating the crime for police at the crime scene. pretty sure that is far from SOP in the US.

i imagine it would be if all our spree killers didn't end up topping themselves when they were done

i mean, they wouldn't do it if there wasn't something to be gained---in this case i'd imagine it isn't being done just to bolster the prosecution's case, but is instead a way to figure out exactly ~how~ breivik was able to do what he did. knowing what happened could make it easier for the police to respond in the future

I heard he remembered an unusual large amount of details, of nearly every single kill he did... They were on the island for nearly 8 hours, filmed everything and it's supposed to be an important part of the court case against him.

It's a practical way to check the story for inconsistencies, time frame, details investigators couldn't have found out by themselves (guy says he moved the couch but can't move it by himself during the reconstruction = he wasn't alone) etc

i'm just thinking that in the wake of columbine/VT/etc there were countless "reenactments"/timelines on the news. so it's def SOP to gather operational forensics (or something). also bear in mind (if you can stomach it) that most of the ppl that could have provided statements on how exactly breivik did what he did were executed. not really the case for other spree shootings that happened in v public places

xps

oh it makes sense, it's just weird seeing it and i've never heard it being done here (reconstructions in the UK tend to be actors' recreating the last movements of people who have gone missing - at least, those are the ones that get reported)

Aren't actors mostly used when a crime isn't solved yet? To try and re-enact the situation in order to get clues?

Or for daft tv shows.

i'm pretty sure in the US they just do recreations with interviews & diagrams & stuff. i guess we'll see with the ft hood shooter or the gabby giffords shooter? idk. highly doubt that they're gonna bring either of those guys back out to the scenes. not saying that either way is better or worse, just that i've never seen this.

anyway point is, calling it weird and insensitive or w/e is...also weird. while i don't necessarily want to know the details personally, i think it's important that the courts know as much as possible, both for building a case and for future investigation/prevention

but yeah, def weird to ~see~ this monster walking around on a tether, acting out an atrocity

xp again, with the ft hood/giffords shooters, most of what happened was out in the open and witnessed by a lot of ppl. utoeya is relatively isolated in comparison

hey--jordan--no need to curse, okay?

my apologies, i know it's been tough for belgium

thought this was really out of the ordinary when i heard about it earlier