Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

I thought they just showed Jesse hovering over the meth, but never showed him ... hoovering it. They made a point of him offering it to Skinny Pete and Badger first, but I thought it was more ambivalent whether or not Jesse partook. I guess I could just watch the scene again.

Then again, maybe they showed him doing drugs as a means of showing how nothing (not even loud hip-hop!) can dull the pressure.

All the music at Jesse's party was really bad

That is totally true. I can't imagine a song I want to hear a second time less than the "money, money, money ..." track. And when I heard the "Angel of Death" riff I was psyched to hear "She Watch Channel Zero," but no, it's some other butt-rap.

i feel like jessie's occasionally had decent music, maybe some 3-6 at one point but yeah, this was a rough one for songs. Flava Flav?

Can't believe he's getting into dubstep what with everything else.

that really is his 1st unforgivable move imo

It's a metaphor for his poor choices in life.

ha

8) No, it doesn't make sense that Gus would keep Walt around, regardless of the product, unless I missed the ep where it's revealed that Walt's perfect product brings in more money than less than perfect product.

that was my thinking but they did have that bit in the first scene of e1 where gale stresses to gus that the 4%? 6%? diff in purity between walt's stuff and his stuff has a huge impact on the value, it was his main argument to gus that he should hire walt

it's gone unspoken for a while, but gus is probably not only concerned about cash flow - if production stops, an opportunity opens up for the mexican cartels to muscle back into his territory, he used the lab + walt to cut them out of the picture and he doesn't mind playing hardball to defend his turf - like that scene last season where mike took out all those guys at the warehouse

the scene in the bar was intense as fuck. the closeup on mike as he's taking in the import of walt's stupidity was just amazing. i've never seen him get that worked up and upset. i almost felt like he was more angry at walt for being so stupid as out of any sense of loyalty to gus.

i can't remember where mike stands in relation to saul these days?

"i almost felt like he was more angry at walt for being so stupid as out of any sense of loyalty to gus."

Absolutely OTM and why you can't help but feel that he might snap and kill a bunch of gus' guys at some point

don't think it's ever been completely limned out but my imaginary backstory is that mike did PI dirty work for both gus and saul, but gus became a big fish and then mike's #1 employer, so even though mike still does work for saul, they both know gus is calling the shots

xp

Didn't Mike basically say that at one point?

ok maybe my backstory isn't so imaginary

Great thing about this show is that just when you think you've got a handle on it then Jesse will go something ridiculously stupid and turn the whole thing upside-down. I reckon he's going to take out his frustration at not being able to get to Gus by going after Hank. And Hank will take him out by throwing rocks at him from his wheelchair.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:22 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

MINERALS

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:34 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lmao

ok just re watched the video game argument scene and jesse def does the meth, they dont show the actual snorting but you see him chopping up a line his head goes down and finally he arises rubbing his nose

the scene in the bar was intense as fuck. the closeup on mike as he's taking in the import of walt's stupidity was just amazing. i've never seen him get that worked up and upset. i almost felt like he was more angry at walt for being so stupid as out of any sense of loyalty to gus.

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:59 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Absolutely OTM and why you can't help but feel that he might snap and kill a bunch of gus' guys at some point

― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:04 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah feel like mike rolling his damn eyes at walt and walt not noticing is p much the basis of their relationship

Huh, yeah, I guess I'd have to watch again. I got the impression Jesse was pained by the temptation but resisting, and that he was fully in cold you idiots can snort this if you want mode. Because why else was he the literal last man standing, awake and busy when every other person at the party was totally fucked up?

Mike beating up Walt was basically a means of conveying to Walt that his arrogance aside, he's in a situation out of his control. But of course, no one puts Walt in a corner - he beat cancer! - so no doubt he will scheme his way to survival. Or knowing this show, at some point Skyler will kill him. Or maybe Walt Jr. will beat him to death with his crutches.

jesse was wide awake after partying for three days because of his conscience

Or maybe it was just too loud to sleep?

Because he did a shitload of meth?

that scene last season where mike took out all those guys at the warehouse

Man I love that scene.

it is so amazing...with the john carpenter and all. just brilliant.

I've never done meth or hung out with anyone doing meth. Why was Jesse the only one calm and functioning after the party? Literally every other person there was passed out on the floor in various states of debauchery/exhaustion, but here comes Jesse, serious and steady. Just weird, is all. Shouldn't he have been blotto, too, if he was partaking?

wasn't the entire last scene him going mental?

He's on the other side, man

I'd assumed he was just fucking terrified of being killed, hence surrounding himself with hundreds of people whenever he wasn't in the lab.

Isn't the whole point that he doesn't care about being killed now? It's more that he's scared of being alone with his thoughts

^

Well, Jesse being fucked up mentally is nothing new for this show. The guy's been a stone cold stress ball for at least a couple of seasons, certainly since Jane died.

HE WAS ON DRUGS

LOADS AND LOADS OF DRUGS

Haha that too.

i meant more to confirm, contra josh, that he surely is meant to be back using drugs. i mean even at end of s3 he was about to smoke a big pipe when walt called up for a murder favour.

I finally watched the first two eps, unfortunately out of order :-/
Hank and Marie are just KILLING ME with the relentlessly cheery/MINERALS behavior; I think Marie might be my new favorite character. I can see them going on Intervention for his pain pill problem in 3..2..1 (There was a guy on that show once who bankrupted his family answering spam emails and entering contests and wandering around a cornfield shouting at the air, the mineral behavior reminded me of that)

About Jesse: they were trying to show us something with the stereo, right? He went ON AND ON about the details, and seemed pretty proud of himself for knowing all that (not being booksmart is kind of his thing, after all). What's that about?

I'm finding Hank and Marie genuinely painful to watch at the moment, like being in the middle of the most awkward domestic ever. Obviously both actors are playing it brilliantly.

The stereo is really loud. It drowns out the stuff in his head.

Is that it? I thought his blablabla about the stats of the stereo was meant to indicate something, but I couldn't really figure out exactly what. He seems SO unbelievably lonely. Lonely and unable to cope.

Also when he was super bored with the zombie convo, I thought that was intended to indicate how his "friends" are not really talking at his level, like they were just some buffoons he was stuck with because no one else will talk to him anymore.

That's what i took from it anyway. I mean, he actually puts his head in the speaker at the end.

Maybe I'm trying to read too far into it. I'm totally not a softie for guys like that, but I am a softie for him. I'll be genuinely sad if (let's face it, when) things conclude poorly. I just want him to be cruising in his muscle car, and occasionally playfully climbing out of cougars' windows like he used to be.

i meant more to confirm, contra josh, that he surely is meant to be back using drugs. i mean even at end of s3 he was about to smoke a big pipe when walt called up for a murder favour.

― LocalGarda, Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:03 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

he smoked up a pipe right before the RUN scene 3 episodes ago, so he's def not clean anymore

You can also tell because his hair is greasy and he's pale. He's not taking care of himself. At all.

that could just be the PTSD tho... jesse reminds me of a war vet now, he's back in normal life after seeing + doing shit his friends couldn't imagine, this eps def rammed home how alone and adrift he is

keep thinking of his line to walt about gus at the diner: "I can't kill you but I can make you wish you were dead"

or something like that

they should've called the last eps "maybe partying will help"

I don't really see how anyone could watch the last four eps of the show and think "Jesse is not doing drugs".

who does the music? i appreciated how tangerine dreamy/not hammy the music was in the boxcutter scene.

The only time I can recall them explicitly showing him doing drugs was when he was building up the courage to kill Gale. He may very well be on drugs, but I just couldn't help but notice that he was, again, apparently fully functioning at his big blow out. And then there's the hardcore giving that girl the money/warning bit of "you can spend it all on glass, for all I care, but I know you're not going to do that." Clearly between lines like this, the Jane incident and his obvious disdain for Badger and Skinny Pete, Jesse's stance on drugs is complicated at least. Certainly he is not behaving like he his strung out, because this last ep was packed with people who *were* strung out, and Jesse was not acting like them.

They were partying, he was coping. Just a different stage of the same disease, no? I dunno, maybe you're right, but he doesn't look or seem well regardless of his current state of using.

Also I want to go on record as being a fan of whoever costumed Skyler in that hilarious robe. So in character.

OK, yeah, they show him doing it around 10 minutes in, but then a minute later you see him cut a line, get ready to snort it, then check himself and push it away. All that other stuff is accurate, too, but it almost plays like he has a party to keep himself from sniffing all the drugs. Plus, of course, in the middle of the party Jesse leaves and goes to work!!!