2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

I'm not going to pillory amatuerist (is that right? pillory? looks weird) because when I saw his stupid grinning face in the papers yesterday I felt pretty much the same. But I also think I would have been wrong to act on that impulse.

Also Michael White OTM xps. The amount of weasel words coming from the right about this is sickening me.

I feel like there is a line between "not treating prisoners like chickens" and "make sure they have a professional recording studio available to them"

Bobby Beausoleil wasn't in prison in Norway

I don't think that all norwegian prisons are like that, just like not all prisons in America are like the ones on those America's Hardest Prisons type shows.

Norway's Rockingest Jails

He's put in Ila and may stay there, which is a pretty sad-looking and typical jail

http://www.svd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00770/ila_770480c.jpg
http://multimedia.dn.no/archive/00152/D2_Fengsel_p__innsi_152096i.jpg

Fun fact: Was used as a concentration camp by the Nazis under the name of Grini.

he still gets a pommel horse, tho

grini & bear it

Thought about posting the same thing, refrained

i admire your restraint

The shit I'm reading about this guy on Le Figaro is rather telling. He claims his stepfather has slept with 500 women, passes his time in Thailand with hookers and gave his mother herpes which somehow led to meningitis and that she now has the IQ of a ten year old. Supposedly his half-sister has slept with 40 men, has had chlamidia and is "almost sterile". None of this prevented him from living with his mother, of course, and he explains that, as a self-styled 'Templar knight', he wasn't ashamed since it helped him save money for his neafrious plans.

He sounds like a case of arrested development turning inward into sociopathy. It's as if he never made it past the age of 13. Apparently he slept with a high class hooker the night before he went on his rampage.

he... gave his mother herpes?

His step-father purportedly did

I somehow missed "his stepfather" in my original readthrough, which made that really alarming and upsetting; now it is merely upsetting.

I'm pretty sure that herpes doesn't lead to meninigitis and a diminished IQ

dude is a total sociopath and a narcissist

herpes can cause meningitis btw

Oh, nm then.

I'm kind of indifferent to the truth of his allegations; it's the man-child state of mind he exhibits that I find telling.

well yeah---the allegations seem entirely fanciful

I'm not sure if this is the best place for this quote, but I found it somewhat infuriating and sad:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/fbi_recommended_complete_idiots_guide_anti-muslim_books_to_new_agents.php

The FBI was telling new bureau recruits as recently as Jan. 2009 that Islam "transforms (a) country's culture into 7th Century Arabian ways" and recommending a book written by one of Norwegian terrorism suspect Anders Behring Breivik's favorite authors as well as the Complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding Islam.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/28/morrissey-norway-attacks-mcdonalds-kfc

Melanie Phillips strongly denied any suggestion that her writings influenced Breivik, dismissing him as "mentally abnormal" and accusing left-wing elements of attempting to badmouth her.[95][163]

Breivik today demanded that for him to continue cooperating during interrogations, the cabinet should retire, the royals abdicate, and command of the armed forces should be yielded to him. The same demands will probably be made during the trial. O_o

"Some of his more innocent demands have been granted, such as preferences regarding food."

oh

They probably had to really deliberate for a while about whether or not to yield command of the armed forces to him. Like, hhmmmmm, should we?

haha knowing norwegians they probably did hold a little meeting

at this point i guess they're only interested in accommodating him in any way because they want info on possible co-conspirators? i mean other than that, there's not much purpose to the police hearings

...aaaand it's this lot again, apparently planning to picket some funerals. Not gonna bother linking, I'm sure you can find it yourself if you want; a pic will have to do.

http://gfx.nrk.no/B6pIvWbquhRGSnWNxkRgrgrPzhjfzfOtGYHh8NOTsstg.jpg

Sigh. Just posting so I can bookmark and not arrive at that particular image.

WBC will never receive anything but an eyeroll from me. They're not worthy of my disgust.

Whoa:
http://talkaboutequality.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/if-a-married-lesbian-couple-saves-40-teens-from-the-norway-massacre-and-no-one-writes-about-it-did-it-really-happen/

An attempt at analyzing the bogus URLs in the manifesto - they seem to be GPS coördinates and they may point at precise locations in big European cities

http://analysis.no.net/

^ this is all still very theoretical and no reason for public panic yet (maybe they should have kept quiet about this until they're 100% done and know what's really going on)

dude wants to blow up belgravia, fine by me

Breivik was back on Utoya yesterday for a reconstruction. There's photos here: http://vg.no/vgpluss/article/1LaxOvUp

that picture is creepy

it's a bit weird and insensitive...

is that common practice in norway?!

that is the weirdest thing

lex: don't think the term 'common' applies to much in this case

that said i think having perpetrators back at the scene for reconstruction is common practice where possible and helpful

wow, that is fucking weird

It's quite common over here in Belgium too. No need to curse.

i imagine this is prob SOP in the US as well---it's only in the news, i'm guessing, because, you know

i've heard of detained suspects being taken out w/ police to locate a body in a very remote location or something, but i've never heard of a suspect recreating the crime for police at the crime scene. pretty sure that is far from SOP in the US.

i imagine it would be if all our spree killers didn't end up topping themselves when they were done

i mean, they wouldn't do it if there wasn't something to be gained---in this case i'd imagine it isn't being done just to bolster the prosecution's case, but is instead a way to figure out exactly ~how~ breivik was able to do what he did. knowing what happened could make it easier for the police to respond in the future

I heard he remembered an unusual large amount of details, of nearly every single kill he did... They were on the island for nearly 8 hours, filmed everything and it's supposed to be an important part of the court case against him.

It's a practical way to check the story for inconsistencies, time frame, details investigators couldn't have found out by themselves (guy says he moved the couch but can't move it by himself during the reconstruction = he wasn't alone) etc