Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Hubbard's is a vale of tears too far.

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yours is not to reason why.

― Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 10 April 2004 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I went out straight after Owen's goal went in. I was upset when I got to the pub at 8.00 that evening to finally find out the result. I was even more upset 25 minutes and three Everton goals later.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 10 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Stevie" Gerrard shouldnae have been booked yesterday.

I don't think that every failed penalty appeal should be a booking.

For this aggressive, active player to... 'collect' his first buiking of the season (!) in this way says that something went wrong.

I heard a fan (?) on R5 yesterday squalling about the heckling and banners that would force Houllier out. It was enough to make anyone back GH. It felt wrong, trés wrong.

― the liverfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree, it had me seething at the radio too, it's just not the Liverpool way (ie he should be shunted upstauirs in the close season with the minimum of fuss and yer man MON brought in forthwith)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

There did seem to be alot of booing. But I maintain that regardless of position he has to go now. They're likely to finish the worst 4th place in years if they even do that. I think sometimes fans have a right to boo surely? How else do they express disappointment with what's been the worst season in around ten years.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

on R5 Ronan, a bloke was ranting about arranging a protest at the Newcastle game, constant booing of the whole team "getting rid of Houllier is more important than a champions league place" idiot

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the point of getting rid of Houllier before the end of the season? I don't understand - its not like you're going to get someone top class in to turn everything around in that sort of time. And any upheaval will unsettle all the players and damage the club's Champions League chances even more.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no I mean "he has to go now" as in at the end of the season he must leave, after what has happened.

That's awful though, the idea of booing the whole team from the start of a game.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, exactly waht I meant about it not being the Liverpool way, that's the sort of shenanigans you expect from White hart lane for sobbing out loud (where the cries of Pleat out are building so I hear)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The Spurs fans were chanting "WE WANT PLEAT OUT". Pleat said, "it is not a persoanl attack."

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

How else do they express disappointment with what's been the worst season in around ten years.

Rednose Short Memory Syndrome in full effect. 1998-99, folks. Let's not forget 1998-99 (Christ, at one point heading into Xmas we only trailed you on goal diff - and this was in Walter Smith's shambolic first season when we couldn't score at Goodison!)

Whilst it's encouraging that Charlton, Newcastle and maybe even Villa can catch Liverpool now I refuse to believe any of those clubs can do it. I'm more concerned about the growing 34pt-club at the bottom and preventing Leeds' membership of it.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Beautiful pass by Gerrard for Owen's goal against Arsenal. You hear 'slide rule pass' mentioned all the time. That was the textbook example.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't believe Newcastle can catch Liverpool? Really?

I predicted a Top 6 finish for Villa back in August. If they actually get one I will be really fucked off about not going down the bookies. But then again I predicted Fulham to finish secon from bottom...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope, desire and wish but I don't *believe*.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

O, help my unbelief.

― the loyolafox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa are a big club: possibly they should always be top 6 Or Thereabouts.

I don't think they deserve Champions' League, though.

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Deserve? Are you trying to invoke the ire of Dave B, O roonfox?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't -- but now you mention it - bring it on!

I am the thief of ire.

― the irefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?!

If they deserve to finish top six then they need to generate more points in the season than the team that finishes seventh. That's all it is.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Well we had some convincing wins in 98/99, and weren't so awful to watch all the time either. Scored way more goals if I remember correctly.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?!

If anyone even attempts to do this I will come and slap them.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:48 (twenty-two years ago)

All this talk about 'big clubs' is misleading. Define it how? Big stadiums full of punters? League finishes over the last five, ten, twenty years? Turnover?

Mikey, are you angling for a revival of the thread that dare not speak its name?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yep, 68 goals in 98/99, just what, 45 or something this season?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we talk about what makes a big club a big club again? Can we? Can we?

I think LUFC would make fine members of that stupid club. I wish the LUFC-EFC game this evening were to be televised. I wonder if 5 Live will give it proper coverage, or whether they'll focus on MUFC-LCFC tedium.

Fascinating fact for this evening: Eddie Gray's Leeds have an extremely good record when playing teams managed by Scots.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not a regular Nick so not sure what you are referring to. I would say 'no' however, just to be safe.

I think someone should come up with an equation. Where n = the number of fit birds per stadia and f = quality of the pies.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes (not always), when I hear the phrase "x is a big club", I think of "Brutus is an honourable man".

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but Ronan you finished 7th in the league in 98-99. Below West Ham and Villa. If that happened nowadays people would be calling for Houllier to be hung drawn and quartered in front of a baying Kop.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

When I hear the phrase "Spurs are a big club" I say "all hail to ye Macbeth, that shalt be Thane of Cawdor"

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

STOP IT!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

When I hear the phrase "a cultured player" I reach for my revolver.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the revolver-owning revelation?!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It is that JtN owns a revolver!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anyone see the third eye on Soccer AM where the guy was trying to return the ball to the opposition after being kicked out for an injury? Twice he blasted it in the guy's face.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and the bloke never flinched!!

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Twice!

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

What is a third eye?

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it like a wild front ear?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It belongs to Saturday morning. After they've got the colonel out.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

and just before everyone climbs aboard the showboat

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

About half hour before the dancing old man.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

who gives me the creeps every time, but after he's left I know that life can carry on (backed by Jeff Stelling)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but Matt 98-99 was the year of the joint manager business, Houllier had only been put in on his own halfway through, so really a change had already been made that year.

Also if you look at the league table, there's no guarantee of Liverpool getting into Europe AT ALL this year, I sincerely hope they do and think they should nick the Champions League spot but the teams are all very close, and the reality is that every time I have thought Liverpool are back on track this year they've messed up all over again.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does David Moyes have a TRAININGGROUNDBUSTUP with every striker on his books?

And why is he not subsequently viewed as dubious at... "man-management"?

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ever noticed how they seem to play better once Moyes has singed their locks? Not in the case of Jeffers, of course, who probably won't kick a ball for us again. DM is just sorting the wheat from the chaff - and his decision to partner McFadden and Radzinski was entirely vindicated.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Would the PF play better if Moyes locked up his Synge?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ouch

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's you and not the Elland boys will be having the fine times, I'm thinking, and the sweet toffee wheat springing from the sour chaff on the dry Pennines, Michael mavourneen.

― the finefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa's rightful place, now and forever, is 8th.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd love it if Villa nicked that 4th spot

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

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