Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

My boss and his partner -- now husband! -- actually showed up on NBC Nightly News! (My boss, Tom, is on the right, and his partner Steve is on the left.)

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Larry Kramer in a mood to incur wrath:

"These marriages, in whichever state, are what I call feel-good marriages. Compared to the benefits heterosexual marriages convey, gay marriages are an embarrassment — that we should accept so little, and with so much hoopla of excitement and self-congratulation."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015720197_gayweddings25.html

As if DOMA will ever be repealed if citizens and governments at lower levels don't first show that the will is there. It takes momentum to make something like that happen.

Lemme guess, no one popped Larry the question.

he's had the same bf for 30 years, no? guess they're not the bourgeois type.

But he is the gadfly type.

Oh, my mistake. Sucks that someone so vanguard would feel compelled to submit to something as retrograde as monogamy.

larry kramer is such a legend

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Oh man I love Myron Levine and Phillip Zinderman a lot.

Larry Kramer may not have chosen marriage, but he has been an advocate of gay marriage forever.

Oh man I love Myron Levine and Phillip Zinderman a lot.

it took me FAR too long to realize what was happening in that picture

I need a nap

The quote above is part of his statement for nation-wide marriage equality.

xp

And he certainly was pro-monogamy during the 70s and 80s. I think it was in Faggots that he wrote "We are fucking ourselves to death" and that was before anyone had even dreamed of "the gay cancer."

wkiw the levine-zindermans

i keep scanning the slideshows to see if i know anyone but then i remember that i think i only know like two gay couples in NYC who are in LTRs

Actually, that's not exactly what Larry Kramer said.

I never interpreted it as “Larry Kramer Hates Gay Marriage.” The inequality that remains is why I don't understand the "Celebrate or die" dictum gays are giving others who aren't whooping it up over the current situation.

And also, our society is dying, but that's not a gay enough issue.

They might be related.

Actually, that's not exactly what Larry Kramer said.

so what is THAT in your sentence? I quoted exactly what he said (although it got edited along the way).

Larry is really disappointed when he submits 5000 words to the Times and they publish 3 sentences.

Well, when they choose to publish the 3 sentences that most make him seem like the guy that shit in the wedding punch bowl, sure. Not to say he probably hasn't actually taken a few shits in various wedding punch bowls in his day.

I quoted exactly what he said

From a piece that already stripped the quote of essential context, prefaced by a statement that makes it sound like he "shit in the wedding punch bowl," followed up with suggesting that marriage is "bourgeois."

Also your ceaseless harping on the "celebrate or die" stance that you insist "gays" (who are those gays??) are pushing - you really need some examples to back up that allegation.

you

I mean, there is a major and obvious difference between "celebrate or die" and "I'd like to celebrate this victory, small though it is, and when you come around hanging your crepe as usual, I am going to tell you that you seem like an condescending, zealous killjoy."

I don't give a shit if you celebrate, but you clearly have an obsession with whether others do.

Thanks, Doctor. I hate to see errant political priorities based on narcissism. Also, fuck off.

Oh my god do you suck, Morbs.

He shat all over my Facebook page for linking to an editorial defining the equality situation, Eric.

T3d's resistance to the marriage movement makes political sense. Yours is born strictly from your inability to accept anyone else being happy.

...which is my initial confusion about the Facebook dumbing-down of the term "friends" turned out to be well founded.

So many diagnoses today!

My "resistance to the marriage movement" is pretty much the same as t3d's afaik.

T3d's resistance to the marriage movement makes political sense. Yours is born strictly from your inability to accept anyone else being happy.

A million times this. I partially disagree with T3d, but at least he is cogent and rational.

I want maximum happiness for everybody. BAN MARRIAGE

Almost funny.

I also don't disagree that you and T3d both share the same core argument, that there are "more important things to focus on." It's just that they're different "important things." I'm still not clear on what T3d's are, but your "more important thing" is clearly making sure everyone realizes how wrong they are to feel any happiness at all in our current situation.

EXACTLY, just like electing a black president who's garbage.

My girlfriend has a great marriage proposal: everybody should be allowed exactly one legitimate marriage to whomever they want. After that, domestic partnership, simple as can be.

So happy your girlfriend proposed to you!

Yes, clearly the fact that we have a garbage black president has everything to do with how happy we should be that our friends are considered a little more equal in the eyes of NY law.

I knew somebody was going to do that. xxp

no Eric, I'm talking about MY feelings watching both "celebrations."

"a little more equal," ponder that (you might as well bring it up to Larry Kramer since you love him today)

I call it trollin'.

Yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and SB you.

My girlfriend has a great marriage proposal: everybody should be allowed exactly one legitimate marriage to whomever they want

I need to work my mojo on Jake then.

then you'll hafta buy the drinks for gbx in Minneapolis next summer

xp

leave me out of this

your "more important thing" is clearly making sure everyone realizes how wrong they are

reminded me of this:

I'm waiting for it to show up on oink. (As per usual.)

― kenan, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:17 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

UH

― river wolf, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:18 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Kenan, please don't suck. Go and buy it from their website for SOME MONEY AT LEAST.

― Jesse, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:19 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'll buy the CD version when it comes out, and that deluxe vinyl sounds pretty awesome. I'll give them my money, don't worry.

― kenan, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:21 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OK. I just think it would be really jerky to violate the honor system (of sorts).

― Jesse, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:22 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No, I agree! They're going out on a limb here, and I like that.

― kenan, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:24 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

just pay $1.

i mean, it seems silly to get stuff on OINK when you can get the real juice from the source, and for pennies.

― river wolf, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:26 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

And it would be cool to give them the traffic.

― Jesse, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:32 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It's just that Kenan, you're wrong, and I want you to know that!

― Jesse, Monday, October 1, 2007 12:33 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

rip river wolf

river wolf ain't nuthin but a g++ thang

its sad he was an otter