2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

I admit, I skimmed. I was more looking at his style of writing perhaps, which wasn't as ranting as I expected. But that is as You say the "to appear reasonable" schtick here.

rumours of at least another shooter surfacing again

the bbc interviewer just asked a survivor from utoya 'was there panic among the young people there?'

Foreign Minister cautioning against making assumptions based on attacks in other countries. Perhaps The Sun should take the hint - though did it actually go out to the newsstands with that cover? It was circulating yesterday evening, so surely there was time for them to change it?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/5966417535_6a8a3814ee.jpg

Only slightly changed. Main headline the same.

so this guy is in custody? they took him alive?

Yes, police have been talking to him all night.

This has left me kind of numb, it's so horrific, when I went to bed last night they were saying 10 dead on the island, when I wake up it's 84, and supposedly it could rise a lot higher. I'm speechless...

The post from Geir is so right, and he would know better than any of us, that the political nature of the target should have alerted people to the possibility that this was not an Al-Qaeda/Jihadist operation, instead we had hours and hours of "terrorism experts" on rolling news telling us that's exactly what it was.

ya newsnight was still going on about libya etc at 11pm last night

i p much never watch tv news and whenever i make an exception for an event such as this, it only serves to remind me of its inadequacy - the time lag, the spacefilling banality, the forced emotions

Rolling news is at its worst here, it's just filling time to excuse the gawping. The bbc's 'end of innocence?' piece was up by the time I heard the news and is entirely irrelevant afaict; when I got up this morning they were questioning the emergency service response as if: (i) they knew what it was; (ii) a great big bomb hadn't gone off immediately beforehand; and (iii) that's what went wrong here.

the bbc is so embarrassing for this stuff, the hosts are so painfully awkward when talking to "real people" (a phrase used casually in bbc meetings, all the time) that they act like someone is daubing them with shit throughout.

that plus the anchor this morning describing the suspect as being "of a right wing orientation"

what like...militantly straight??

I have a certain amount of sympathy for anyone tasked with processing, live on air, the fact that a man had just murdered eighty children because he didn't like their political beliefs, to be honest. The rolling news was handled terribly but, as has been suggested, i think it's more a structural issue with the format than the fault of any particular reporters. Apart from Kay Burley.

i just find the way they speak to people v odd and detached

It's not reporting for facts in an odd sense, more ambient reporting, reporting the shock/grief and confusion. Was odded out by one of the first interviews I heard on Radio 5 last night, with....the ex-footballer Jan Åge Fjørtoft.

Foreign Minister cautioning against making assumptions based on attacks in other countries. Perhaps The Sun should take the hint - though did it actually go out to the newsstands with that cover? It was circulating yesterday evening, so surely there was time for them to change it?

It is still being described as our 911 here. Of course it is different in that this is not a Muslim extremist, but maybe it will also teach the world outside Norway (like it has taught some - slightly, but just slightly, more moderate - right wingers in this country) that Islamic extremists are not the only ones capable of doing such horrible acts?

You guys are funny. So worried about the reputations of terrorists.

right wing Christian fundie / Islamist fundie, what's the difference, ultimately?

If this had been an Islamist fundamentalist the backlash against the Muslim community would be outrageous. I doubt this will cause any movements to kick Christians out of Europe.

yeah kinda shows what fucking morons these guys are when their "statements" just involve mass murder, regardless of their views. xpost

Fuck 'em all. I'd shit on Allah, G-d, Yahweh, Jah, and zombie Jeebus if they existed.

*removes bookmark*

urgh i only just looked at the news. i only heard about the bomb yesterday :(

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/07/23/nyt/index.html

basically, Geir is right: this guy is a terrorist.

oh man that washington post thing that greenwald links to

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/norway-bombing/2011/03/29/gIQAB4D3TI_blog.html

This is a sobering reminder for those who think it’s too expensive to wage a war against jihadists.

ugh

yeah there's a lot of outrage going on about that & about how she's merrily posting away again without in some way saying "ok, I had that one wrong." Michelle Malkin's doing the same thing she always does after attributing something to Muslims that turns out to be something else: "looks like this wasn't RADICAL ISLAMISTS, but I won't let that stop me from covering the real threat posed by RADICAL ISLAM"

Another brilliant post by Rich Perry's foreign policy adviser.

*gets sober, empties bank account, wages war against jihadists*

If it turns out that the suspect in custody is a non-Muslim with no connections to jihadist groups, it would be unreasonable to focus the investigation on Muslims and Islamic terror groups.

Thanks for clearing that up, Corner guy.

it's cool, i'm sure in the light of the profile of the shooter that's come to light, the authors of all articles linked heretofore will be turning their attention to the pernicious dangers of islamophobia

this story has a grainy photo of the suspect on the island -- looks to me like he's dressed head to toe in a police uniform

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-explosion-live-coverage.html

yeah so of course parts of his 'politics' are starting to appear on the web now, along with a batshit youtube i don't feel like posting here. it's the typical islamophobic hate that fremskrittspartiet (and their counterparts in every european government) so heartily endorse.

dont read the telegraph comments then

http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf

This manifesto is supposedly related to the shooter. Key quote:

"Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike."

I have been thinking about my post-operational situation, in case I survive a successful mission and live to stand a multiculturalist trial. When I wake up at the hospital, after surviving the gunshot wounds inflicted on me, I realize at least for me personally, I will be waking up to a world of shit, a living nightmare. Not only will all my friends and family detest me and call me a monster; the united global multiculturalist media will have their hands full figuring out multiple ways to character assassinate, vilify and demonize. They will possibly do everything they can to distort the truth about me, KT and our true objectives, and attempt to make even revolutionary conservatives detest me. They will label me as a racist, fascist, Nazi-monster as they usually do with everyone who opposes multiculturalism/cultural Marxism. However, since I manifest their worst nightmare (systematical and organized executions of multiculturalist traitors), they will probably just give me the full propaganda rape package and propagate the following accusations: pedophile, engaged in incest activities, homosexual, psycho, ADHD, thief, non-educated, inbred, maniac, insane, monster etc. I will be labeled as the biggest (Nazi-)monster ever witnessed since WW2.

I have an extremely strong psyche (stronger than anyone I have ever known) but I am seriously contemplating that it is perhaps biologically impossible to survive the mental, perhaps coupled with physical torture, I will be facing without completely breaking down on a psychological level. I guess I will have to wait and find out.

http://imgur.com/tCp90.gif

the united global multiculturalist media will have their hands full figuring out multiple ways to character assassinate, vilify and demonize

wow what will they use as the crux of their perfidious argument

that he pops his collar like a frickin douche

According to his lawyer, he calls his actions "atrocious but necessary"...

so, is it true that this guy can only get a max of 21 years in jail

I have an extremely strong psyche (stronger than anyone I have ever known)

copied & pasted from the brains of every grandiose asshole ever

I read max of 21 years unless he's deemed unfit for release, which seems like it would be...true.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/23/what_did_the_oslo_killer_want

Andrew Berwick

just noticed st0rmfr0nt has a 'ladies only' forum

jesus, this is horrifying

Survivors told how they hid under bunk beds, behind rocks and in cabins as Breivik, dressed as a police officer, beckoned the youths to him, promising them safety. Youngsters who fell for his ploy were shot in cold blood. Survivors told how they had heard people plead for mercy. Thorbjørn Vereide, 22, who ran away and hid in a cave, said: “He seemed very focused. He took his time and picked victims out one by one. People lay on the ground, and he went over them and shot them in the back. He shot them all twice to make sure they were dead.

“He kept shouting: ‘It’s safe to come out. You’ll be saved. I’m a cop.’”

Nicoline Bjerge Schie, 21, who cowered behind a rock near the beach, said: “I could not see the gunman but I heard him screaming and laughing and he gave several cheers.”

She watched at least five of her friends being hit by the gunman’s bullets and watched as the bodies tumbled off the rock and into the lake.

Adrian Pracon, 21, who was shot in the shoulder, said from his hospital bed: “He was yelling out that he was going to kill us all and that we all must die.” Mr Pracon played dead but survived.“He tried everyone, he kicked them to see if they were alive, or he just shot them,” he said.

Erik Kursetgjerde, an 18-year-old Labour Party youth member, said Breivik “would tell people to come over: ‘It’s OK, you’re safe, we’re coming to help you.’ And then I saw about 20 people come towards him and he shot them at close range.”

Edvard Foernes, 16, said the gunman walked through the camp, saying: “Come out and play with me. Don’t be shy.”

just so unbelievably disturbing. I feel like I can't even process it.

so sick that he targeted a camp of young people. fills me with all kinds of of terrible emotions. :-/

http://i.imgur.com/w7qu2.jpg

is that person about to catch on fire?

yeah

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-sets-himself-on-fire-outside-833899

cant find any more info

the fuck

People are weird.

what a shitshow

that monk is frowning down from nirvana like, uh no dude sorry

i think you mean from rage against the machine

the video is just so strange

Police say the man is a Norwegian citizen in his forties with no link to the trial. They believe he acted alone. His injuries are serious, but not life threatening.

A local solicitor said she was contacted by the man just before he set fire to himself.

He smelt of paraffin and wanted to hand in some of his papers relating to the social services and unemployment.

oh, max

sick burn, max

nakhchivan on fire

ah sorry that was no match for your joke

He smelt of paraffin and wanted to hand in some of his papers relating to the social services and unemployment.

"How can I get down to Sidcup in these shoes?"

However, in 1999 at the age of 20, Breivik, suddenly underwent an operation to make his nose look "more Aryan".

But this detail did not surprise his group of friends, who merely teased their friend, who was also known for using powdered make-up, for his vanity.

Breivik, who has claimed to be on a "crusade" against multiculturalism and a pending "Muslim invasion" of Norway and Europe, has meanwhile insisted that his nose was broken when he was attacked by a Pakistani, but none of the friends he claims were there at the time say they recall the event.

According to the witness who is a fireman, Breivik was "a bit special" at this time, with very personal clothing choices, including wearing sunglasses when he went out to bars at night.

So he could, so he could, keep track of visions in his mind.

Sane. Obviously... not that I'm an expert, but come on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23327165

So Breivik secures a place at university. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/anders-breivik-university-oslo

He did so on merit? I can't imagine his ramblings of racist lunacy were up to much.

it's a symbolic gesture. the poli sci department will be in contact with the prison staff, and he'll be given access to study materials and tests, after which he earns 30 credits and no degree. the key point here is that norwegian prisons are only allowed to limit the right of free movement, and other than that life in the prison complexes has to be as similar to the outside world as possible.

i thought the bump was going to be the "breivik's party part of new government" story they've been trotting out recently in foreign papers, which is ridiculous.

If there's anything this guy needs education on, it's politics

i don't really see any purpose of this guy continuing to exist, but, you know, democracy and civilization etc.

Well, if he killed himself, noone would be sad. But I don't think he is worth turning norwegian society into killers as well.

i know that--my gut reaction is different than my considered reaction.

http://www.bustler.net/index.php/article/swedish_artist_jonas_dahlberg_to_design_july_22_memorial_sites_in_norway/

This is great!

So Breivik secures a place at university. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/anders-breivik-university-oslo

He did so on merit? I can't imagine his ramblings of racist lunacy were up to much.

― mmmm, Thursday, September 12, 2013

just noticed this. the university's entitled to do what it likes, and honoring its rules has some (nominal, in this case) value, but its justification is nonsense.

Nasty feeling this dude is going to be out of jail and leading Norway's biggest opposition party in about a decade and a half.

The headland memorial concept is beautiful and very fitting, I think.

very moving even in the design mockups. i'm curious about the engineering of it.

PFO, that is never going to happen. His role in the Progress Party (which is in the current coalition government now, btw) is severely exaggerated in non-Norwegian media. So is the extent to which that party's positions on immigration (which are nevertheless quite unattractive) overlaps with his.