It's exactly the same thing.
― DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2011 05:43 (fourteen years ago)
Unless you were kidding, in which case, lol.
― DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2011 05:44 (fourteen years ago)
Lack of realistic long-term goals - no
Disagree, a MASSIVE yes for this. WTF is he doing, when will he stop, why does he want the money now? He has no long-term plan whatsoever. He hasn't even bought himself a new pair of shoes.
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:43 (fourteen years ago)
lost count of the number of people i've talked to who gave up on this show midway through the 2nd season... can't seem to change anyone's mind though :/
― r|t|c, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:46 (fourteen years ago)
Garda i think the real reasons lie elsewhere but it's true that Hank's medical bills appear to be gargantuan so that at least is an immediate reason to keep getting paid
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:48 (fourteen years ago)
but i basically agree with you about his total lack of perspective or goals. he has no idea wtf he's doing beyond just going FURTHER.
that said, the diagnosis of sociopathy is ridiculous (as it usually is). he still has plenty of empathy, even for strangers.
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:53 (fourteen years ago)
real reason: being a high school teacher was an under-utilization of his nobel-prize winning skillz, the meth thing just popped up at the right time in the right place and seemed like a challenge. plus he needed the money at that point. roller coaster ride of daily defiance of death + intriguing moral minefield cemented the deal
― messiahwannabe, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:57 (fourteen years ago)
also the whole dealer thing is a sticky web just by it's intrinsic nature
― messiahwannabe, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:58 (fourteen years ago)
why did he stick out the teaching no matter how frustrating and unfulfilling it was once he was in it?
vs
why does he stick out the meth cooking no matter how frustrating and unfulfilling it is now he's in it?
― Booger T. Jones (sic), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:29 (fourteen years ago)
cause he's a stubborn, bloody-minded son of a bitch
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:31 (fourteen years ago)
i like the notion that his "other life", the one with the great job and gretchen, was something he rejected and now it's as if this new life as heisenberg is why, it is indeed bloody minded to an extreme level.
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:47 (fourteen years ago)
Walt's goal is to be the best at what he does. It's all ego, unleashed, with a twisted hubris invoked to justify his actions.
And yes, he is a psycho. There is something wrong with him that mere therapy likely would not clear up.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:23 (fourteen years ago)
BTW, still don't know why Gus didn't threaten his family yet. I guess they're saving that for later, so that Walt can bust out some ironic paterfamilias moves.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:24 (fourteen years ago)
how different would this story be if the U.S. had free healthcare?!
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
Sons of Anarchy, I've noted, has a running theme of these constantly injured bikers dealing with health care costs and insurance plans.
Likely Walt would have gone the meth route, regardless. Gretchen and her husband were the deus ex health insurance, but Walt was too proud. Remember, Walt didn't offer to pay for Hank's healthcare. It was Skyler, as a fuck you way to justify/spend his ill-gotten gains.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:36 (fourteen years ago)
this amateur diagnosis stuff is silly to the extreme, but I can give you one reason he's not a sociopath - his loyalty to jesse
― Any one can have ketchup for their food, I don't care any more (Edward III), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
I think we need a professional diagnosis about this fake show about fake people doing fake things. That would be far more legit.
Actually, his "relationship" to Jesse is one of the least explored aspects of the shows. Is he using him? Feeling paternal? Feeling guilty? Seeing in Jesse a glimmer of redemption he knows is beyond him?
Personally, I think he's holding onto him the same reason he holds on to the eyeball.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:55 (fourteen years ago)
no way. they're practically family at this point.
― iatee, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:59 (fourteen years ago)
bloodbrothers even
― Any one can have ketchup for their food, I don't care any more (Edward III), Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:03 (fourteen years ago)
Brothers? Maybe Walt thinks so. But Jesse does nothing but seethe with contempt for Walt. He has no love for Walt, despite Walt's eagerness to keep him around.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:16 (fourteen years ago)
it's more of a father/son relationship tbh
jesse's father disowned him and walt's chosen a life his own son can't be a part of
― Any one can have ketchup for their food, I don't care any more (Edward III), Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:20 (fourteen years ago)
But again, it seems pretty one way, no? Jesse's disposition is that of a dude chained to an asshole, dragged around against his will. Jesse has been out of Walt's life multiple times, but he keeps pulling him back in.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:49 (fourteen years ago)
^ perfectly describes the dysfunctional relationship some sons have to their fathers
― Any one can have ketchup for their food, I don't care any more (Edward III), Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)
Well, sure, I know that's what the show is aiming for. But like I said, that relationship hasn't been developed on more than a superficial level. Neither, for that matter, has Walt's relationship with his real son. Who, to be fair, has totally fallen by the narrative wayside, as has his useless new baby, as a major character the show thus far has had very little use for and therefore must toss into an ep every once in a while just to remind us they exist.
The baby, btw, remains the most conspicuous sign to me that the show, like lots of serialized shows these days, may not have been that well charted out at the beginning. No doubt if they had to do it over again, Skyler never would have been pregnant. The baby adds nothing to this show, which is in direct inversion to the number of 24/7 demands any newborn presents to a family.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)
gilligan's admitted several times that he's making it up as he goes along
given how tightly plotted the last 2 eps of s3 were, it's kind of amazing
― Any one can have ketchup for their food, I don't care any more (Edward III), Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:21 (fourteen years ago)
New babies kind of define the word "useless", tbh.. All they do is eat and sleep. I'm not surprised the baby's not a major character or whatever! I did kind of wonder who was looking after the baby when Skyler was working for Ted Beneke though.
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
still glad that season 5 will be its last though. xpost
― Gukbe, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:23 (fourteen years ago)
xpost I think they might have tossed in a line about Skyler's sister babysitting?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)
i'm really waiting for the baby's arc to kick in. when are they gonna get her involved with the new family business?
― cave duel (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
the baby will probably end up smoking meth with sally draper
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:32 (fourteen years ago)
I think that old hooker Jesse used to hang out with is grown up Sally Draper.
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, 21 July 2011 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
*mind blown*
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 July 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
waiting for baby's flashback episode tbh
― Clay, Thursday, 21 July 2011 22:44 (fourteen years ago)
BTW, still don't know why Gus didn't threaten his family yet.
Gus is a family man himself, and beyond that, so far has never shown himself to fuck with anyone not in the game themselves.
― Booger T. Jones (sic), Friday, 22 July 2011 02:31 (fourteen years ago)
That would be some rationalization on his part!
Baby should get a total flashback. Actually, baby will inevitably get a lame kidnap/child protective services subplot, so until then I'm happy with it glued in its car seat and stashed out of frame.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 12:28 (fourteen years ago)
wondered this too. came to the conclusion that after Walt had Gale killed and seeing how protective of Jesse he was, Gus must have realized that even mentioning Walt's family would unleash an unprecedented shit-storm from hell. and who's to say that *isn't* in the cards as some sort of last resort desperation move!
― karma's ruthless invisible (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 July 2011 15:35 (fourteen years ago)
I think this season opener wrapped things up a bit too tidily. I was expecting Walt to be held prisoner and Jesse to be on the run after last season's cliffhanger. What's to stop them from just fleeing the country like Saul?
― little mushroom person (abanana), Friday, 22 July 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
"you've got a passport, right?"
― sleeve, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
I doubt Saul is going to make it out, even if he tries.
― DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Friday, 22 July 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
Not that he'll be killed, he'll just be enslaved by Gus, as Jesse assumes he now is.
― DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Friday, 22 July 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, Saul is going nowhere.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 July 2011 21:40 (fourteen years ago)
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Dale Dickey
she plays a helluva meth junkie
― notes on camping (Pillbox), Saturday, 23 July 2011 03:10 (fourteen years ago)
Someone on Wikipedia should fix her BB credit. Everyone knows it's Wendy!
― Nhex, Saturday, 23 July 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
Wendy's a different character/actress
― cave duel (latebloomer), Saturday, 23 July 2011 03:43 (fourteen years ago)
oooh wait. was this the one with the vending machine?
― Nhex, Saturday, 23 July 2011 04:17 (fourteen years ago)
yep!
― cave duel (latebloomer), Saturday, 23 July 2011 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
When and if he has said that, he was making sly fun of the writers of "Lost," not actually admitting to being a bullshit artist who doesn't know where this is all going. The only writer I've ever heard honestly admit to that is Steven King. (Hmmm.)
― DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Saturday, 23 July 2011 07:58 (fourteen years ago)
I don't think so. He sounds pretty honest here
I'd love to be able to say that everything is pre-figured. I'd love to tell you I'm Bobby Fischer and I'm playing this game 20 moves ahead, but it's just not true. The writers and I, once we created the Cousins and put them into motion, the problem that we saw for ourselves was, "My God, how do we pay this off?" It's the exhilarating thing about this job and it's the terrifying thing about this job: We actively try to paint ourselves into corners at the end of episodes - at the end of seasons, at the end of scenes sometimes - and then we try to extricate ourselves from those corners. So far, so good. But one of these days, we'll probably paint ourselves into a corner we can't escape from.
― Gukbe, Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:23 (fourteen years ago)
doubt there are many, if any, shows where the writers had everything figured out from the start and then just filmed it. and i don't see why that would be any more entertaining either.
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)
It won't necessarily make it more entertaining, but as "The Sopranos," "Lost" and "Seinfeld" proved, if you don't stick the landing it can cast the whole series in a bad light.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)