Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

Well, that was his a-ha moment, where he realized his life was fucked (again). Hence his blase attitude at the Denny's.

He's realizing exactly what Gus wants both of them to realize -- that he is powerless, utterly and completely. Walt, on the other hand, has a formidable and frightening gift for denial.

Like, for instance, Macbeth.

I hope they don't go the Macbeth route. Walt seems more the ... Coriolanus type. Or a would-be Caesar.

i think youre all p otm re gus motivation for killing guy as far has him being seen at the crime scene and to diabolically dominate our protagonists but i tihnk there was another angle where gus finally respected walt and felt like they could communicate, killing this guy who walt suddenly took to be a threat to his own life was somewhat a peace offering however tenuous

prob gonna rescreen this shit tbqh, p masterful

not even just a threat to his own life but to his livelihood! gus has to respect that on some level.

i really don't think any of it was out of character at all for gus. he didn't get where he was by never getting his hands dirty. and he has to remind everyone of that from time to time.

yeah i think it sort of was out of character for gus, but the was the point, he sort of opened himself up to walt there

just skimmed the thread from the beginning and man its crazy how this show has traveled

i feel like its good at portraying the mania of the present moment, the human tendency toward lack of perpective

i can't even bring my self to get all analytical about this show, i'm just thinking DAYYYYUUUUMMMM! SHIT IS OFF THE HOOK!!!! I NEED ANOTHER HIT ASAP!!!!!!

wow.

ok. deep breath.

you know what? the more machiavellian and diabolical walt gets, the deeper he sinks into just being a straight up criminal mastermind, the more i like him.

no shame in that, i felt sheer elation when he pulled that "6353 juan tabo avenue" or whatever it was line at the end of s3

i tihnk there was another angle where gus finally respected walt and felt like they could communicate, killing this guy who walt suddenly took to be a threat to his own life was somewhat a peace offering however tenuous

yeah I got that I think. "Well get back to work" didn't feel like a threat to me, more an acknowledgement of where their relationship now stands

Horrible Bosses

haha

no shame in that, i felt sheer elation when he pulled that "6353 juan tabo avenue" or whatever it was line at the end of s3

it's like he's finally embracing his inner gangsta. all that wishy washy half-assed fence sitting he did for the first few seasons made him less sympathetic to me not more, when we all knew what he really wanted to do was set dudes-who-pissed-him-off's cars on fire and blow up rival dealers hangouts with exotic chemicals and shit. though i admit the wait has made his final plunge into the dark side all the more satisfying!

i find skyler way sexier as a manipulative mob-boss-moll-type as well

latino dudes get a pretty tough time on this show, huh

- victor (dead)
- krazy-8 (dead)
- tuco (dead)
- combo (dead)
- hugo (fired from the high school for walt's sins)

RIP combo, mourn ya til i join ya

which one was he?

killed by jesse girlfriends kid brother

Yeah, Jesse's friend who was not called Skinny, and for a reason.

oh forgot

- tortuga (dead)
- the cousins (dead)

Ok but what they did to Tortuga was awesome.

the chunky bits... floating in the barrel...

Another advantage of HD. Look closely and you can see the skeleton, and the look on Walt's face just as the skull detaches from the spine and floats to the bottom. "Next on Dirty Jobs".

holy shit.

The "trust us" in reference to the acid bathtub at the first lab cracked me up

so i have never seen this show

That whole scene was oddly hilarious, all three actors had some great expressions.

xpost

guys i remember combo i was trying to quote walt's amazing line re: combo's death

xp get on it, gbx

yeah evan you should jump on this but it's a narrative so you need to start at the beginning

also stop reading this thread

GBX - DON"T READ THE FOLLOWING!

... lets throw him off the scent here and start talking about stuff that never happened...

like the shootout at the bake sale.
or Charles Barkley's cameo in the amish villiage.

which one was he?
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:18 AM (3 hours ago)

I loled

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6763000/bad-decisions

Although reading this whole piece twice would be painful because of Klosterman's meta-self-aggrandizing-I'm-a-smart-guy thing, but I have to admit that the premise of this piece is right on. The show is about making choices, and the most major change in Walter has been from a man who tells himself that he has no choice, into a man who tells Gus that he was given a choice, and he made it, and he'd make the same choice every time. Emphatically.

I re-watched the last two episodes of season 3 as well, and was struck by Gale's last words: "You don't have to do this." Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

so i have never seen this show

― g++ (gbx), Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:13 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude

you know what? the more machiavellian and diabolical walt gets, the deeper he sinks into just being a straight up criminal mastermind, the more i like him.

This is why the series has to end with Walt's death, and not by cancer. And it may go over about as well as the Seinfeld finale, at least pop-culture-wise if not critic-wise, but Gilligan has already proven that he doesn't give a single flying dick about mollycoddling the audience.

And "Machiavellian" may be too reductive for Walt, both on the complexity scale and on the pure scalding evil scale. Walt's actions started a direct chain of events toward burning metal and body parts raining on Albuquerque, and he knows it. And yet, after the meeting between Gus and Jesse and Gus's child-murdering thugs, Walt says to Jesse in the car, "You have to realize that your actions have consequences." He can pass that off as hard-earned wisdom, but only because he knows that Jesse doesn't know that Walt murdered his girlfriend. All at once that's convenient self-deception, self-interested deception of another person, a statement of truth, and a sick twisting of the truth.

Walt is a sociopath, plainly put. He keeps that eyeball in a drawer not out of guilt, but as a symbol for the empathy that he wishes he had.

walt's not a sociopath.

it would be a completely different show if he was.

No, I think he actually is.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

i dont think hes a sociopath but he is p deeply disturbed

Well he's damn good at providing himself excuses for behaving exactly as a sociopath would behave.

Which is begging the question a bit.

tbf i dont think he really nails enough of the checklist to be regarded as such

somewhere in between textbook narcissist & whatever constitutes 'sociopath' prob

There's still a lot we don't know about Walt, though. How did this genius end up teaching high school? We still don't know that whole backstory. And we don't know what his ultimate goal is, not anymore. My prediction is that his enemies will continue to eliminated, now that he's proven to himself that he's pretty good at that, and his friends and loved ones will continue to be victimized, and he'll continue to make a big show of being awfully sorry, but he won't change his behavior.

Factor 1: Personality "Aggressive narcissism"

Glibness/superficial charm - eh no walt is not v charming
Grandiose sense of self-worth - its getting there maybe
Pathological lying - his lying isnt pathological its purposeful, pathological liars lie abt everything for no good reason
Cunning/manipulative - yes
Lack of remorse or guilt - he has some major guilt for sure, maybe not enough but its there
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric) - feel like his emotional depth is within a conventional range
Callousness; lack of empathy - yes
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - yes

Factor 2: Case history "Socially deviant lifestyle".

Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - not up until recently
Parasitic lifestyle - no
Poor behavioral control - eh borderline
Lack of realistic long-term goals - no
Impulsivity - not really
Irresponsibility - mixed
Juvenile delinquency - no
Early behavior problems - no
Revocation of conditional release - no

Traits not correlated with either factor

Promiscuous sexual behavior - no
Many short-term marital relationships - no
Criminal versatility - hes a p bad criminal tbqh
Acquired behavioural sociopathy/sociological conditioning (Item 21: a newly identified trait i.e. a person relying on sociological strategies and tricks to deceive) - not really sure what this one means

Maybe that sociopaths are more like to read Tony Robbins and shit?

haha

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSydr5sEfK43nFKC5U7HuXd384Ar654ga2cCyWdOtCBBvWRqhwc&t=1