The Matrix Reloaded (full spoilers)

and for fucks sake will everyone stop complaining about how the 100 Smiths fight scene looked so CGI/fake...do you people sit and watch cartoons and go 'oh thats so unrealistic'? come on...

Well, at least I can remove my four-fingered white gloves from my hands.

The reason the matrix needs to be reset is precisely coz that failsafe can't handle neo, and his "anomilies" need to be redigested to make the next version more "perfect".

Think godel's theorem -- as things accumulate, neo is the "godel number" of the system which challenges its w-completeness, so it has to be recreated at a higher level etc.

So the entire movie cycle is a figurative instance of a guy hunched over his cubicle at 2 am saying, "God, I need to fix these bugs by tomorrow."

That's amazing, Spencer! You'll be claiming I don't like Andrew WK next!

ironically this wasnt the problem, seems people have issues with the quality of modelling and animating itself. i personally have nothing but raw intense love for that fight scene

Hell we're on a music discussion site. Who likes being told the best guitar-solo ever has sloppy finger-work? It's pointless. Get your heads in the game, for real.

As for the rave, it was OK, I say OK, once it became stylish instead of jungle-wierd, like maybe if the sex was not unpleasant that whole segment of the movie would have been pulled off.

Er, this is ILE, not ILM.

But when Morpheus totally fucks the shit out of the ghost guys, and out of nowhere, alone would have made Matrix 2 more intense and exciting for me then 99% of other moview: and as far as reducing it to action/philosophy in minutes, you still get more good action time here then any other American movie can get away with. So that is a stupid complaint.

All in all it was fucking great.

Lastly, you can't go tearing people's code apart when your fighting more than one, let alone more than 99. You're going to get your ass kicked while you sit there.

Yuen Woo-Ping, also responsible for fight choreography on Croughing Tiger Hidden Dragon, and the new Zu Warriors, which will never be shown over here because God hates me.

i hope they keep the plot just as incomprehensible

As well as Morpheus's speech (that Tracer mentions above), the rave sequence was totally rubb...unless...it is meant to represent a questionable 'alternative' lifestyle that is being manufactured for the few who 'live' in Zion (questionable is the key word here - this is why it is done so poorly). Continuing this line of thought, the sex scene was completely lame...unless...sexuality is being used as a passifier to placate the minds of the citizens of Zion and make them think that they are experiencing an authentic reality.

Trinity could also be a passifying program designed to keep Neo down - this would be a plot development for the next film. Alternatively, I could just be making excuses for the poor parts of Matrix Reloaded.

'It occurs to me that this movie seems to be written for philosophical software engineers more than anyone else.'

As a first year philosophy student I lived with three software engineers whose unsubtle DVD pirating operation allowed me to see the Matrix for the first time.

The many-Smiths scene was kind of like them going 'This is ridiculous and overlong and OH JUST LOOK AT IT! Look at the effects! LOOK AT THEM! Hahaha!'. A bit like that TvGoHome show where a hand holds up a shiny coin for you to stare dumbly at (and that entire last Star Wars thing), but in a good way.

The anticlimactic dreadlock albino twins reminded me of Luke Haines.

The Matrix is supposed to like, send you spiralling into all these big-ass epistemological crises ennit, but I'm probably just gonna lose sleep over the above Morpheus = Evil theory.

this was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Everything that was cool about the first one was completely negated by Reloaded. For all the trouble they've gone to to create this credible Matrix-verse, they sure left a lot of loopholes.
Suddenly I'm looking forward to more shitty Star Wars movies.

Everything that was cool about the first one was completely negated by Reloaded

how exactly?

Everything that was cool about the first one was completely negated by Reloaded

how exactly?

All of the ambience created by the element of the Unknown was lost. By trying to codify what had before simply been overwhelming and nebulous, they trivialized the entire Matrix concept.