Inception (with implanted spoilers)

xp The dreams were designed specifically to extract secrets, why make them crazy? Do we even see a non-designed dream that's not a memory? Limbo stuff, I guess.

i don't know. if i have a dream where paul lynde doesn't show up with a jack-o-lantern or the care bears aren't discovered to be behind the jfk assassination i'd start getting suspicious real quick.

the whole idea of designing dreams to be linear and rational so as not to freak out the dreamer's unconscious mind seems basically bananas to me given the nature of dreams.

you mean if you have a real life where Paul Lynde doesn't show up with a jack-o-lantern or the Care Bears aren't discovered to be behind the JFK assassination, since the whole point was to make the dreams be plausible real-life scenarios that were "real" enough to lull the target but built like a maze to keep the target's subconscious from rofflestomping you

PP that wasn't the twist and the director and everyone have said the ending is real

the TWIST is that:
1. Mal is his dead wife and he's wanted for killing her
2. They end up making the mark think he's in someone else's dream

actually I take it back, the movie had no twist, I have no idea what these people were talking about

again for me the issue isn't so much "do these dreams make sense within the logic of this world" as "this film is some bollocks you are making up, why choose to make up some boring shit?"

dan you know damn well that's precisely what my real life is like

paul lynde and i are drinking mojitos and discussing borges right now

(lynde smells terrible btw)

I'd a dream incepted in which two Nolan thread were resurrected at once by Thundercats.

like, the entire point is that the person dreaming isn't supposed to know it's a dream; flinging in unicorns and bare-breasted barristas bearing bold roast and bananas would kind of give the game away

xp: well okay point taken, you would get a technicolor acid inception; Cilian Murphy was a boring fucker tho

strongo & NV both OTM imho

the dreams are linear and boring aka not like actual dreams at all

and on top of that, why bother making a movie about boring dreams. if you want to make a heist movie where things blow up, just make a heist movie!

xp

also the movie didn't have a "twist", it had "ambiguity" which apparently folks can't deal with

I thought the point was that they were constructing flimsy plots that wouldn't make the marks pay too much attention, because it wasn't really fucked up stuff that would make them notice it was fake (huge riot outside of Saito's love nest) but small things like the carpet

i guess my point (if i even have one) (i'm so fucking tired) is why even call them "dreams" if they're just some kind of audio-visual "real world" feed piped into the brain of an unconscious person

that's not as snappy, obviously

i'm okay with the ambiguity, i just get bored of explaining to dweebs that the ambiguity doesn't have a secret hidden correct answer that they shd spend weeks developing elaborate theories about

"this carpet... it does not match the drapes"

also the movie didn't have a "twist", it had "ambiguity" which apparently folks can't deal with

Soooo true. It also was apparently difficult for some people to follow, which I don't get.

I think there's some movie audience who is intrigued by the deeper ethical struggle in Avatar, doesn't quite get the plot of Inception, and sees deep moral issues in The Dark Knight and I do not relate to these people

I guess the twist is really that THERE ISN'T REALLY A TWIST.

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can someone release a cut of this movie with the tree of life whispering behind it

Mullholland Drive is actually Back to the Future Part IV: the Silencio of Biff

You people who claim to have nothing but dreams that are a combination of Yellow Submarine and a David Lynch movie scare the piss out of me tbqh. Most of the dreams that I can remember are pretty pedestrian, by and large, with perhaps a few out of place elements.

ambiguity re: twist isn't all that ambiguous iirc s/thing to do with the top when he's explaining stuff to juno iirc, but i may not rc tbf

if your dreams are consistently insane it's the ones where you drive to work, work, and then drive home that are the scare-the-piss-out ones tbh.

xxpost - I know! All of my dreams are like working at work and driving around and although when waking the dimensions and scenery are a little odd its just a mishmash of various places of lived/worked/studied/etc and pretty boring and sensible.

I don't know what all these pomo Dali-esque dreams are all about, I must be missing out.

the worst dreams are the ones where you drive to work and yr boss is leo dicaprio

it's not that they're all technicolor rainbows and serial killers, it's that they aren't linear or bearing any resemblance to the real world. people's identities shift and change, locations shift and change, there's no real cause and effect happening, my own motivations and goals shift from moment to moment etc.

I dunno about everyone else

xp

nah i'm pretty certain that is standardly the case with dreams

mine are insane because they really ARE like movies in that they are pretty linear and narrative

it's just that the plots usually revolve around things like the statue of liberty coming to life and going on a rampage

my own motivations and goals shift from moment to moment etc.

yeha, this more than anything else.

if inception were true dream style, then leo would have been distracted by a dude he knew in 5th grade passing by and just followed that guy for the nest 90 mins instead, catching up on dude's imaginary news

like, say I'll have the distinct sense that I am stranded in Oakland and need to get home, except the environment I'm in bears no resemblance to anywhere in actual Oakland I have been to, I find a BART station but it doesn't look like any actual real-life BART station, then I see somebody I know and get distracted and we go buy a hot dog or something.

xp

but yeah weird gaps in the "plot" and strange transitions that have a creepy emotional "rightness" but otherwise make no sense seems to be otm to me

it's just that the plots usually revolve around things like the statue of liberty coming to life and going on a rampage

― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad),

wasn't this a movie tho

a lot of recycled movie plots do feature in my dreams sadly

It's from Inception 2: The Adventure Continues.

my unconscious is apparently a hollywood pitchman who has nothing but a folder full of remakes

i get video game dreams sometimes and the odd comedy movie. have woken myself up laughing at what turned out to be nonsense

have gone to sleep the same way tbh

Yeah that sounds like a dream, shakes -- except, in the dream do you realize that your surroundings are nothing like Oakland or do you only realize that upon waking.... this is important because thats referred to a lot in the movie - ie "dreams only seem strange after you've woken up"...

the reason they put so much effort into the dream worlds, I think, is not to fool the mark but to keep their subconscious away - thats why the architect job is based on one's ability to create good mazes.

(many xposts)

I assume I am in a part of Oakland I've never been to before

the thing about not being able to remember how you got somewhere that they refer to in Inception, that rings true for me.

I'll tell you what doesn't happen in my dreams, car chases and shootouts

xp ^ also how the movie makes it ambiguous whether he's dreaming imo, I like this a lot.

Best dream-state experience description thing I've come across is The Unconsoled by Kazuo Ishiguro.

all the action scenes in my dreams seem to happen "off-screen" so to speak

so do the sex scenes but i'm a little more upset about that

Best dream-state experience description thing I've come across is The Unconsoled by Kazuo Ishiguro.

yeeeeeeesss

to be fair the premise of the film was they were creating dreams mundane enough that the targets thought they weren't dreaming, and the car chase shit mostly happened once they flipped strategies and told dude he was in a dream

The car chase happened because he was trained to ward off dream invaders. Why, you may even think of them as "dream police", if you wish.