2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Yeah, I agree.

Except: FDR didn't pay much attention to Norman Thomas.

Bush's chief enabler was Al Gore, for not carrying his home state.

qft, FOREVER.

Bush's chief enabler was Al Gore, for not carrying his home state.

Bush's chief enabler was the fucking insane electoral college system.

Bush's chief enabler was the SCOTUS

come on you guys a lot people enabled bush theres no need to play favorites

Bush's chief enabler was shitholes like Tennessee

BUSH HAD AN ARMY OF ENABLERS AT HIS DIABOLICAL DISPOSAL.

I don't want to do the Nader argument yet again, but you can put me down as someone who has seen the evidence does not consider him a spoiler even in 2000, and his chances of being one THIS election are next to nothing.

but not blaming your shitty nominee is a time honored dem tradition. if it's not nader it's the media or some other dark, external force

exactly.

Democrats also like to rag on Nader in spite of all the evidence because it allows them to feel self-righteous about their "pragmatism."

I think the real question here is how many Cynthia McKinney votes will Ralph steal?

lol my hrc friend (of "hilary needs to put obama in his place" fame) just told me "if you and 536 other nader voters had gotten off your high horses in 2000 the world would look very different today"

we need to not be friends anymore i think

CNN poll:

http://images.politico.com/global/quickvote.jpg

*SMH*

i voted for nader!

He'll get less votes this time than last time around.

obama's secret service codename is "renegade"

I'm voting for Nader a third time bitches.

you dick!

how dare you exercise your democratic right?

you might as well vote for nader, it's not like ur vote counts anyway

oh no mccain might win New York now cause of Jon

oh no if Cynthia McKinney's running I might not be able to vote for Obama :(

http://www.gp.org/committees/pcsc/index.shtml

The Presidential Campaign Support Committee has approved a list of Green Party Presidential Candidates, according to the guidelines voted on by the Green National Committee.

GREEN PARTY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES

Jesse Johnson – http://www.jesse08.org/
Cynthia McKinney – http://www.runcynthiarun.org/
Kent Mesplay – http://www.mesplay.org/
Kat Swift – http://www.bexargreens.org/katforprez/

DRAFT CANDIDATE:
Ralph Nader – http://www.draftnader.org/

I think she could do great things for this country http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3gTpqMVOVQ

Bush's chief enabler was Al Gore, for not carrying his home state.

anyone in tennessee could have told you that was gonna happen. tennessee hadn't been al's home for most of the 1990s, and in that interim was the '94 midterm elections. overnight the state went from 2 democratic senators and a democratic governor to republicans in all three seats. gore probably got a false sense of security because clinton won it, but clinton won it against candidates whom the local breed of gop loyalists recognized as pretenders and hacks. they didn't vote for clinton, but some of them probably didn't vote. but in 2000 against bush-cheney, the loyalists were excited again, and there was no way gore was going to carry that state. blaming gore for losing his state is ignoring that the state was in the later wave of sourthern strategy switches. democrats held on there for longer than they did in some other places, but they weren't gonna hold on forever, the currents were just too strong.

of course if gore's campaign somehow didnt know that, then there'd be some legitimate blaming.

http://thepage.time.com/halperin’s-take-ways-mccain-can-beat-obama-that-clinton-cannot/

I'm voting for Nader a third time bitches.

gotta stick together

Democrats also like to rag on Nader in spite of all the evidence because it allows them to feel self-righteous about their "pragmatism."

name names

http://i25.tinypic.com/6hug6r.jpg

my strawz, let me show you me clutching them

fwiw, latest SurveyUSA head-to-heads against McCain - http://www.surveyusa.com/electionpolls.aspx - listed from most Clinton-friendly to most Obama-friendly

Clinton wins but Obama leads (barely) - Massachusetts, Ohio
Clinton wins and Obama likely wins - Missouri
Obama wins and Clinton likely wins - New Mexico, Minnesota
Obama wins but Clinton is tied - Washington (2/5 results)
Obama wins but Clinton trails - Wisconsin, Virginia
Obama wins but Clinton loses - Iowa (confirmed by Des Moines Register poll)
Obama leads but Clinton loses - Oregon
Clinton loses and Obama likely loses - Kansas

also
both lose soundly but Clinton by a much smaller margin - Kentucky (2/5 results)
both lose soundly but Clinton by a little less - Alabama
both lose but Obama by a little less - Indiana (2/5 results)
both win soundly but Obama by a little more - California
both win but Obama by a much bigger margin - New York

http://bp1.blogger.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/R8GWmphQGNI/AAAAAAAAAic/xhwHHIvuTjs/s400/msnbc.png

this obama patriotism thing isnt going away - well see if he has the chops to defend himself against the gop attack machine in the g.e.

from cnn.com

http://images.politico.com/global/quickvote.jpg

scroll up a little, it's here already

lol

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WT5BY9DRL._AA240_.jpg

In a discussion of recent comments made by Michelle Obama, Bill O'Reilly took a call from a listener who stated that, according to "a friend who had knowledge of her," Obama " 'is a very angry,' her word was 'militant woman.' " O'Reilly later stated: "I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802200001?f=h_latest

sorry if that was posted and I missed it

it was, though i'm not sure what's supposed to be wrong with the big o's remark there

"lynching party"

er, which he says would be bad????

"this is a fantastic movie to see if you're brain-dead or a moron"

movie poster:

"a fantastic movie"

bad... unless there's evidence that SHE HATES AMERICA

still a poor choice of words

gimme a break you guys

anyway, I bit the bullet and let the 90257816 skipped posts load and read the discussion, and I see it's been well covered. I still think it was an odd choice of words, but it's true that in the context he's being relatively decent.

self-righteous Nader blamers, and proofs that he didn't cost Gore, can be found in the documentary film An Unreasonable Man.

Save-a-Ho'Reilly

morbs i'm all in favor of breaking up the two-party system but nader's a cult of personality - he doesn't build movements and he does no actual organizing.